RE: Tesla Model S P90D: Review

[dlockhart]

eltawater said:

With a bit of back of the envelope man maths :

Current Jaguar XF 3.0 S monthly:
. Car repayment = £300
. Parking charges = £40
. Diesel = £300

vs

Tesla monthly:
. Lease / HP / Depreciation = £1000
. Parking charges = £0 (There are free electric bays outside the office and it means I don't have to hunt for a space beyond 8am.)
. Electric charging = £0 (See above)

How do you get your jag at £300 a month? I can find finance for a tesla at 800 pm + vat but I get 800 all inc pm from Jaguars finance page.

[va1o]

I really like the look of the Teslas, excited to see what they come out next. I hope the momentum continues and these reach an accessible mainstream price over the coming years. Would happily run one as my daily instead of diesel.

[98elise]

crostonian said:

If we're all going to adopt to EV's we better get busy building some more Nuclear Power Stations!

Why? The average driver does about 21 miles per day, thats about 7kWh. That about 45 minutes iof an electric shower, or 1 hour hour running a hob.

Unless the lights go out when you cook its not really going to be an issue, especially when it will mostly be charging over night during the lowest demand.

[Chris Stott]

redroadster said:

Nobody has commented on the fact that half the cost of the tesla can be claimed against personal or company tax in the first year so if you have a high tax bill buy purchasing this instead of a gas guzzler you can be up 40 k this info is on the governments web page for all to read, if it's same in USA then no wonder they have leapfrogged other makers sales.

Very smart company purchase. Full corporation tax write down in year 1, and no company car tax vs >£1.1k/month on an S500.

[Lozrington]

numtumfutunch said:

Lozrington said:

As to real world practicality, last week I made a day trip from Gatwick to Dartmouth and back with no problem and in far more comfort than almost any other car I can imagine (Autopilot reduces driver fatigue). Tomorrow I'm going to Caernarfon for an overnighter, then back via Milton Keynes.

I can see that theres a chademo charging point in Bangor so would you plan to stop here to fully charge or else use the supercharger network on the central motorways before venturing that far away from the Tesla network?

Having recently done a couple of overnight trips to Caernarfon Im curious about the practicalities of this as I often find the infrastructure in Wales to be patchy and/or unreliable. If it were me then Im not sure I would be confident of finding a fully working charging point in the "middle of nowhere"

Cheers

I'll be charging to full at Warrington, giving me a real-world range on this route of around 210mies, which should get me to Caernarfon and back to Warrington to recharge. If I do get low, there are 3 Chademo Exotricity chargers between Warrington and Caernarfon, so no probs.

[numtumfutunch]

Lozrington said:

I'll be charging to full at Warrington, giving me a real-world range on this route of around 210mies, which should get me to Caernarfon and back to Warrington to recharge. If I do get low, there are 3 Chademo Exotricity chargers between Warrington and Caernarfon, so no probs.

Thanks, its useful to have some first hand knowledge

Does the Tesla nav have the chademo points, and others, already programmed like the supercharger network or do you need to DIY?
More importantly is your experience that the 'other' non Tesla sites are always operational?

[chandrew]

Here are last year's numbers for Switzerland. I've included the size-down for comparison. Whilst the price is closer to those that are compared in the US figures it's more similar in size to a 5 series or A6.



As context there are very few benefits for running a EV in Switzerland. In some Cantons the road tax is waived, which would be ~ £250 a year. Petrol is relatively cheap (£.85 a litre). Our electricity mix is heavily skewed towards hydro so the impact of running them is low. Swiss buyers tend to buy models with larger engines, and with a higher ratio petrol than in much of Europe.

[Lozrington]

numtumfutunch said:

Lozrington said:

I'll be charging to full at Warrington, giving me a real-world range on this route of around 210mies, which should get me to Caernarfon and back to Warrington to recharge. If I do get low, there are 3 Chademo Exotricity chargers between Warrington and Caernarfon, so no probs.

Thanks, its useful to have some first hand knowledge

Does the Tesla nav have the chademo points, and others, already programmed like the supercharger network or do you need to DIY?
More importantly is your experience that the 'other' non Tesla sites are always operational?

The Tesla nav doesn't have non-Tesla chargers on it as standard, but once you've charged somewhere else, it is indeed shown on the nav. You need to buy the Chademo adapter (IiRC £375) to use them and their condition is certainly far more patchy than Tesla chargers. You also have to share Chademos with all the other EVs, so waiting 15mins isn't unusual.

[jamoor]

They are fast to 70-80 then tail off.


Let's be realistic in 95% of the world there are speed limits hence for a daily drive it doesn't matter what the 100-155 time is as in 99% of journeys for 99% of people they won't exceed 100mph

[eltawater]

dlockhart said:

How do you get your jag at £300 a month? I can find finance for a tesla at 800 pm + vat but I get 800 all inc pm from Jaguars finance page.

It's a used Jag on a personal loan, so I'm just comparing from my own personal perspective what it would take to get me out of the Jag and into a Tesla.

The cheapest approved used Tesla starts at £40k (there's just one, so more realistically £50-60k).

If I look at the monthly cost of the Jag + Fuel vs Tesla + Free charging, the Tesla price needs to be come down a bit more to make the monthly running cost more comparable.

[The Mad Monk]

Terminator X said:

I had a Tesla pull up next to me at the lights recently, having read this I'm glad I let it go!

TX.

Why?

What would you have done if you hadn't read this?

[ewenm]

I like the EV concepts. I'm restricted by having no off-street parking so am unable to charge one overnight at home. This would put a much greater reliance on public charging points for me. If we can get a standardised kerbside charging solution for "normal" terraced residential roads, so no designated spaces or permit parking, then it becomes more viable. Unfortunately that is a huge infrastructure project.

[Blackpuddin]

AnotherClarkey said:

Fuldhat said:

menguin said:

If the P85D has 393HP it's doing extremely well to get to 60mph in 3 seconds! I'd suggest that regardless of HP figures and torque figures the car does the speeds that it claims and reports from US owners suggest the range is accurate. With free Tesla charging stations already all across America and popping up over Europe quickly, when the 3 series equivalent comes in the traditional manufacturers will be so far behind they won't know what hit them.

Also check that they exclude 0.2 sec (Motortrend dragstrip testing) from the 3 sec number, so again the real number is 3.2 and not 3.0 or 2.8.

Didn't Motor Trend test one at 2.6s 0-60 in October? Also, the Car and Driver I picked up in the USA last week tested it at 2.8s.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-tesla-model-s-...

Is it beyond the bounds of technology that Tesla could remotely 'crank up' the power of a press test vehicle at any given time?

[m4tthew]

gangzoom said:

We're expecting our first child in April, I'm 100% sure she'll grow up with no concept of the ICE cars.

1 year old here

I don't expect my daughter will even need to learn how to drive a car, let alone one with an ICE.

[AnotherClarkey]

Blackpuddin said:

AnotherClarkey said:

Fuldhat said:

menguin said:

If the P85D has 393HP it's doing extremely well to get to 60mph in 3 seconds! I'd suggest that regardless of HP figures and torque figures the car does the speeds that it claims and reports from US owners suggest the range is accurate. With free Tesla charging stations already all across America and popping up over Europe quickly, when the 3 series equivalent comes in the traditional manufacturers will be so far behind they won't know what hit them.

Also check that they exclude 0.2 sec (Motortrend dragstrip testing) from the 3 sec number, so again the real number is 3.2 and not 3.0 or 2.8.

Didn't Motor Trend test one at 2.6s 0-60 in October? Also, the Car and Driver I picked up in the USA last week tested it at 2.8s.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-tesla-model-s-...

Is it beyond the bounds of technology that Tesla could remotely 'crank up' the power of a press test vehicle at any given time?

I suppose it could be possible but we aren't dealing with VW here (or Jaguar, or Ferrari)

[ewenm]

gangzoom said:

We're expecting our first child in April, I'm 100% sure she'll grow up with no concept of the ICE cars.

So you won't be taking her to any classic car shows/racing? We no longer use horses as daily transport but my 5-year-old daughter certainly seems to know about them (despite my best efforts!). She also spots Land Rover Defenders "Landy! Landy! I win!". She knows we have to put petrol/diesel in the car and has already asked about how that makes the car go, so unless you're expecting the ICE to be gone in the next 5 years, your kids will have plenty of opportunity to learn about them.

I expect the mix of ICE to EV vehicles will shift EV-wards but the ICE is going to be around for a good while yet.

[R8VXF]

CedricN said:

Evs got very odd torque curves, and hence acceleration curves. Would be interesting to see more cars in the same plot. Tesla seems to gather quite a following, now just start produce electricity in a better way so it actually starts helping the environment to drive ev

I will try and work out how to extract mine at a decent scale later this evening

[R8VXF]

[The Mad Monk]

gangzoom said:

We're expecting our first child in April, I'm 100% sure she'll grow up with no concept of the ICE cars.

If you are 100% sure, will you have a bet with me? I say you are 100% wrong!

[cfdeb70]

Fuldhat said:

Hehe no he did not and the only reason why I get midly upset is that I hate when facts are not correct. All this circle jerking about Tesla is to much, the car is fast until 60-70 and then any car with 250 hp or more will walk on it any day. So supercar fast, yes until 60-70 miles after that no so much.

I guess you haven't seen things like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0LxAhzdPEI so unless you are supercar fast by the time your acceleration advantage kicks in the Tesla is already too far ahead to catch up. So to beat the 7 seat, free to drive Tesla, you need a £250k Aventador or similar (videos are on there too). Mmmm, I think you might need to think again about the facts.