RE: BMW M140i and M240i announced
Discussion
aeropilot said:
Don't believe xDrive is coming to UK, wasn't available with previous M135, so doubt it will be for B58 engine version, unless new engine design allows for RHD/xDrive compatibility....??
Mentions xDrive in link... but no manual so no good to meDibblyDobbler said:
S3_Graham said:
DibblyDobbler said:
Anybody know if we're getting xDrive over here? With manual?!
If so I'm in
Seems to suggest so here:If so I'm in
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/deta...
DibblyDobbler said:
aeropilot said:
Don't believe xDrive is coming to UK, wasn't available with previous M135, so doubt it will be for B58 engine version, unless new engine design allows for RHD/xDrive compatibility....??
Mentions xDrive in link... but no manual so no good to meaeropilot said:
EricE said:
A brief analysis of the new engine: http://blogs.youwheel.com/2015/06/12/brief-analysi...
Here's a topic where tuners discuss remapping the engine: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375...
Since the M140i and 340i will share the same engine, I did a bit of research and found that their stock B58 340i did 330hp/460 Nm at the wheels compared to the old N55 engine which had 291hp/420 Nm on the same dyno.
A remap brought it to 390hp/510 Nm with regular gas.
With a remap + E30 fuel it is virtually identical to the stock M3/M4 engine.
Mind you those horsepower numbers are measured at the wheels, add at least 15% for comparable manufacturer ratings.
So it looks like these cars will have 375 bhp stock and 445 bhp remapped.
Only in the USA.....where they love the wildly optimistic figures of Dynojet RR's Here's a topic where tuners discuss remapping the engine: http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375...
Since the M140i and 340i will share the same engine, I did a bit of research and found that their stock B58 340i did 330hp/460 Nm at the wheels compared to the old N55 engine which had 291hp/420 Nm on the same dyno.
A remap brought it to 390hp/510 Nm with regular gas.
With a remap + E30 fuel it is virtually identical to the stock M3/M4 engine.
Mind you those horsepower numbers are measured at the wheels, add at least 15% for comparable manufacturer ratings.
So it looks like these cars will have 375 bhp stock and 445 bhp remapped.
Take those 'at wheels' figures with a massive pinch of salt.
And that's the polite way of putting it
I am not sure where BMW is trying to position these cars. If their intent is to annoy current customers they're doing it right.
For example the M240i gets the same engine as the more expensive 340i but with an extra 50 Nm more than its "big" brother.
It also has a considerably newer engine, newer gearbox and very similar performance compared to the M2. It doesn't have the diff and wheel arches but you can put M4 suspension parts on the M240i for little money.
In my view this is the bargain of the century compared to the M2 unless you're buying it for the M-badge.
For example the M240i gets the same engine as the more expensive 340i but with an extra 50 Nm more than its "big" brother.
It also has a considerably newer engine, newer gearbox and very similar performance compared to the M2. It doesn't have the diff and wheel arches but you can put M4 suspension parts on the M240i for little money.
In my view this is the bargain of the century compared to the M2 unless you're buying it for the M-badge.
aeropilot said:
DibblyDobbler said:
aeropilot said:
Don't believe xDrive is coming to UK, wasn't available with previous M135, so doubt it will be for B58 engine version, unless new engine design allows for RHD/xDrive compatibility....??
Mentions xDrive in link... but no manual so no good to meLike the idea of even more power, easy to end up with a genuine 400 plus bhp car these days, scary that the older ones will be filtering down to the knuckle draggers, I am not one of those, I am a connoisseur on a budget 
My CLS handles 388 bhp and 390 lb/ft in the dry pretty well, will light the TCS light if you are silly, but I guess the BMW is smaller, lighter and has turbos making the power delivery that bit more aggressive compared to an N/A, even if it has less outright torque.
My CLS handles 388 bhp and 390 lb/ft in the dry pretty well, will light the TCS light if you are silly, but I guess the BMW is smaller, lighter and has turbos making the power delivery that bit more aggressive compared to an N/A, even if it has less outright torque.
Rob.043 said:
Unusable power 99% of the time- I don't agree really. A powerful engine is more potent at any engine speed, not just at peak output. All those little squirts out of roundabouts and junctions, or overtakes etc can be deployed with a bigger grin. The torque driven pickup from 30mph in 4th will be even stronger than it was, and it will feel more fun for it. Cars like this shouldn't be stuck in London all the time, their owners will likely have some enthusiasm to take them out to the country for a blast now and then...
With all that torque available so low down, squirts off roundabouts etc will be over in the blink of an eye. One thing I love about less power and especially n/a is that you can get all the good noises but take the time to enjoy it when pootling at lower revs, but then drop it down a few and get the g's & performance at the top end when the road eventually opens up.Wolands Advocate said:
I have always thought it a pity there isn't an M440i Gran Coupe or an M4 Gran Coupe.
That would make a nice upgrade from our 5dr M135i without the need to get an estate. Count me as another M135i owner who doesn't get why BMW hasn't updated the wheel design, which has always been iffy.
It's a problem, isn't it. That would make a nice upgrade from our 5dr M135i without the need to get an estate. Count me as another M135i owner who doesn't get why BMW hasn't updated the wheel design, which has always been iffy.
The M135i does 90% of everything I want in a car, so what on earth do you do when you need to change it?
If BMW made an M440i/M4 touring I'd be on it like a shot.
Ref: xDrive - with the x35 cars the story was that the steering gear in RHD gets in the way of the transmission, if true I'd suggest this is the same for the B58 car.
I'd take the burger dyno plot with a pinch of salt, in fact take any dyno plots with a pinch of salt - with that said N55 cars have been tested at 340hp+ (against stock figure of 326).
Apparently the B58 drives quite differently from the N55.
I'd take the burger dyno plot with a pinch of salt, in fact take any dyno plots with a pinch of salt - with that said N55 cars have been tested at 340hp+ (against stock figure of 326).
Apparently the B58 drives quite differently from the N55.
Artey said:
You can throw 1000000bhp and 3530190lbs of torque at it and that will mean jack s
t if the steering and suspension is as numb and wobbly as fk as they are in all non proper M cars. And even proper M cars need performance packs to feel exciting. I'm out.
I thought the M135 chassis was struggling with the power, can only imagine this new model will be a handful.t if the steering and suspension is as numb and wobbly as fk as they are in all non proper M cars. And even proper M cars need performance packs to feel exciting. I'm out.MaxA said:
If you're having a traction issue, then you might want to consider softening the rear suspension, and fitting wider and stickier rear tyres. Or a remap to limit the torque in lower gears. But this is endemic to the big powerful front engine/rear wheel drive coupes: I once had a go in a C63 Black Edition, which was crap over a bumpy road as the rears just kept spinning up and destabilising the car ... not really my idea of fun when you keep having to feather the throttle.
Softening the rear suspension would make it understeer like a pig thoughGuvernator said:
This is the graph which shows power\torque for the new B58 engine in these cars and shows perfectly why I really struggle to get on with modern turbo engines.
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It's fine if you like that sort of power delivery but there is almost no choice now and I find the whole thing frustrating and utterly dull.
I don't mind torquey stuff in general, but IMO the current M135i did not need even more torque and less rev band. Most of the focus in developing the new engine seems to be a) saving money (modular engine, common parts with diesel range etc.) b) improve emissions and economy c) more power. IMO, none of this is needed to improve the driving experience in a M135i ....
It's fine if you like that sort of power delivery but there is almost no choice now and I find the whole thing frustrating and utterly dull.
But at least it's good for BMW if they are profitable and can continue to make good value fast cars. And while I don't think the model number change was required, as the article points out, that must be good news for second hand buyers.
I like it! We had a 130i (with a 3 litre engine no less) for 3 years which was cracking but a bit bouncy and swapped for a M135i 3 years ago and the adaptive suspension was a revelation. Steering also very good indeed, great feel. Traction control light comes on a lot but you can turn it off and car becomes more fun, not crashed it in 60,000 miles and use all the beans a lot of the time but it took me a long time to get confident as car has high centre of gravity c/w actual sports cars with similar performance. Might get another, as when lease is up still want something fast, fun and practical. Can confirm suitability for house moves! And I don't want an auto, so am anxious that the manuals appear to come with an auto blipper. Didn't know BM did that. Can probably turn it off with the traction control button tho. PS Harmon Kardon v good and would get again.
EricE said:
A brief analysis of the new engine: http://blogs.youwheel.com/2015/06/12/brief-analysi...
Strewth, they've done it again, according to that link. Another new engine where you have to take it out of the car to replace the timing chain.
Also don;t like the sound of this from the BMW engineering brochure:
"Replacing the main bearing caps... is not allowed and will lead to engine damage"
Sounds like you're supposed to use up the engine and then buy a factory new one, no rebuilds allowed.
Edited by Lowtimer on Tuesday 17th May 22:00
Lowtimer said:
Strewth, they've done it again, according to that link. Another new engine where you have to take it out of the car to replace the timing chain.
Also don;t like the sound of this from the BMW engineering brochure:
"Replacing the main bearing caps... is not allowed and will lead to engine damage"
Sounds like you're supposed to use up the engine and then buy a factory new one, no rebuilds allowed.
Don't worry the sheep will buy it regardless as it's an amazing piece of machinery or some bullsAlso don;t like the sound of this from the BMW engineering brochure:
"Replacing the main bearing caps... is not allowed and will lead to engine damage"
Sounds like you're supposed to use up the engine and then buy a factory new one, no rebuilds allowed.
t like that.Wonder what will happen with the M135i I've ordered and the supply chain issue?
Production of M140i begins in July and they haven't even scheduled mine yet.
Production of M140i begins in July and they haven't even scheduled mine yet.
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