6 People Hit by 458 Scud This Morning in Battersea

[jayemm89]

wack said:

perhaps he had the same plastic tyres corvettes come with

Funnily enough another car that's very possible to get yourself into trouble with traction fully engaged, without meaning to

[PistonBroker]

TerryThomas said:

putonghua73 said:

How utterly bizarre. I am ostensibly helping with packing this week, as we completed on a house last Friday. My girlfriend asked me to take our son for a walk because he requires too much attention when we are trying to pack, thus I found myself taking my son out for a walk (requiring the Overground). On the way back home, I was stood next to a guy on the Overground to Stratford, who was having a conversation on his mobile, discussing a story on the BBC website about a traffic incident involving a Range Rover.

Why is this pertinent? It transpires that he is friends with the driver of the Range Rover (who has a 4 letter name), and was discussing the incident with the person on the other end of the call. He mentioned that the Ranger Rover was cordoned off by the Police, and that his friend [4 letter name] was stood inside the cordon with a very worried expression. He speculated that it wouldn't surprise him if his friend had tried to race someone at the lights and made a driving error.

Why mention the number of letters in the surname? Is the driver a celebrity? Not that it would help with their identity.

That's what I was wondering. Went straight over my head if so!

[FurtiveFreddy]

Some people on here really need to get a bit more experience or some driver training.

I've instructed next to a 996 Carrera 4 owner (on a private track) who managed to spin it in the dry, with all driver aids enabled.

Once I experienced that, I realised that there are a lot of drivers out there who just don't understand the laws of physics or don't think they apply to them.

Being taken by surprise by your own car should be a wake up call. Please learn from it and you'll be a much better driver.

[jayemm89]

If memory serves the driver aids in a 996 do nothing over 62mph.

[allister]

TooMany2cvs said:

R8Steve said:

TooMany2cvs said:

mgv8 said:

There was wrong doing going on but to what level is the only question?

Not really... Shouldn't be very hard to get a guilty verdict on a dangerous driving charge.

What was the driver doing that was dangerous?

<blink>

The law said:

Driving that falls far below the standard of a competent and careful driver

I'd be obliged if you'd be so kind as to explain the circumstances in which a competent and careful driver in a 30mph limit can lose control of a car - any car - so comprehensively as to skittle half a dozen pedestrians - including sending at least one clear over a set of railings...


The Police, who've had a rather better look at the scene than either you or I, seem to have thought it appropriate to arrest the driver for dangerous driving. Some of the media are quoting witnesses as saying that the Ferrari driver was "racing" a Range Rover - let's wait and see on that one.

I'm just looking at the photo here, which shows the distance between where the pedestrian came over the railing and where the car has come to a holt.... I may be wrong, or perhaps missing something but it seems to me, that the distance travelled from estimated impact to stop seems really quite short, suggesting less a case of high speed racing and more a case of slipping and losing control, following a short burst of acceleration.... Does anyone else see this, or perhaps have a different view?

[jayemm89]

swerni said:

Only if driving like a knob.
No reason to even break traction if driving sensibly.

Or if driving a car that's unfamiliar to you. I had a Corvette C7 for a hire car for a week last year, in California. I managed to spin the wheels fairly nicely off the line at a set of lights, without intending to at all. I just went for a "brisk" getaway, rather than attempting to show off. I didn't have my foot anywhere near flat but not knowing the car evidently that's what happens. I'm not unfamiliar with high HP cars but every car is different with very different control responses.

[AMG Merc]

Driver may have been in bus lane. Pedestrians may have been crossing road in bus lane. Pedestrians may have been jaywalking. Dog may have run across the road from the dog and cats home. We know nothing

[saaby93]

TerryThomas said:

putonghua73 said:

Why is this pertinent? It transpires that he is friends with the driver of the Range Rover (who has a 4 letter name), and was discussing the incident with the person on the other end of the call. He mentioned that the Ranger Rover was cordoned off by the Police, and that his friend [4 letter name] was stood inside the cordon with a very worried expression. He speculated that it wouldn't surprise him if his friend had tried to race someone at the lights and made a driving error.

Why mention the number of letters in the surname? Is the driver a celebrity? Not that it would help with their identity.

John?

[jayemm89]

swerni said:

As you say "I just went for a "brisk" getaway,"
I'll repeat, No reason to even break traction if driving sensibly.

I hired an eco boost Mustang in California last week, it was st.
I did also have a play with a 392 Challenger and didn't spin the wheels once

Well I'm glad I am almost the only person in the whole world that's ever experienced a small amount of wheelspin without intending it.

I must find the driver of the Ferrari and buy him a pint. He and I will surely become the best of friends, being the worst two drivers in the world

[jayemm89]

saaby93 said:

John?

I hope his crop rotation is better than his driving

[ZeroH]

jayemm89 said:

If memory serves the driver aids in a 996 do nothing over 62mph.

Your memory fails you I'm afraid !

In my 996 PSM is active at all speeds (ive had it working at well over 100mph) and incredibly effective at that !

[oilspill]

jayemm89 said:

Oh dear. I really hate it when the papers say people were "racing" because that's rarely the case. Would be a great shame if it was. No positive outcomes for anybody when it happens.

No doubt people will use it as an excuse for more of those 20mph limits.

B#llocks to what the papers say. There's enough evidence appearing on youtube of performance cars not only accelerating dangerously hard on our stty streets, but losing control and smacking into curbs and verges. . No 'excuses' needed. This has become a sport with a following. Quite sad to think that even Gordon Ramsey is egged on in 20MPH max limits by spotty 13 year old youtubers.

never mind 20MPH limits (common on mainland europa BTW) iirc there are/were proposals in the city to have 'no acceleration laws' due to the increase in this behaviour.

Edited by oilspill on Monday 12th December 21:16

[Slow]

swerni said:

jayemm89 said:

swerni said:

Only if driving like a knob.
No reason to even break traction if driving sensibly.

Or if driving a car that's unfamiliar to you. I had a Corvette C7 for a hire car for a week last year, in California. I managed to spin the wheels fairly nicely off the line at a set of lights, without intending to at all. I just went for a "brisk" getaway, rather than attempting to show off. I didn't have my foot anywhere near flat but not knowing the car evidently that's what happens. I'm not unfamiliar with high HP cars but every car is different with very different control responses.

As you say "I just went for a "brisk" getaway,"
I'll repeat, No reason to even break traction if driving sensibly.

I hired an eco boost Mustang in California last week, it was st.
I did also have a play with a 392 Challenger and didn't spin the wheels once

Just for the sake of you assuming all people live on the flat what you have said is not quite true (not related to the article). I break traction every single day on the way back from work. Driving sensibily too.

Rock hard suspension and the car gets crossaxled on the way up hill on these two corners every day and will light up the traction control light which then stops me pretty much when the wheel comes back down. Therefor I turn off the traction control and when the wheel comes down instead of stopping me it continues to power me up the hill with a small amount of wheel spin.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.3859381,-4.30251...

And the next corner

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.3855791,-4.30391...

Obviously doesnt look that steep in the pictures.

[TooMany2cvs]

allister said:

I'm just looking at the photo here, which shows the distance between where the pedestrian came over the railing and where the car has come to a holt.... I may be wrong, or perhaps missing something but it seems to me, that the distance travelled from estimated impact to stop seems really quite short, suggesting less a case of high speed racing and more a case of slipping and losing control, following a short burst of acceleration.... Does anyone else see this, or perhaps have a different view?

ISWYM, but bear in mind the pedestrian would have been hit by the front half of the car, not the back, and would have been thrown in the same direction as the car was travelling - I'm not sure it is only that short a distance.

I'd guess that the one who went over the railing was the same one as put the big imprint in the windscreen.

[putonghua73]

jayemm89 said:

I hope his crop rotation is better than his driving

After all these years, the Young Ones still makes me laugh - especially 'Bambi'.

[jayemm89]

oilspill said:

B#llocks to what the papers say. There's enough evidence appearing on youtube of performance cars not only accelerating dangerously hard on our stty streets, but losing control and smacking into curbs and verges. . No 'excuses' needed. This has become a sport with a following. Quite sad to think that even Gordon Ramsey is egged on in 20MPH max limits by spotty 13 year old youtubers.

never mind 20MPH limits (common on mainland europa BTW) iirc there are/were proposals in the city to have 'no acceleration laws' due to the increase in this behaviour.

Edited by oilspill on Monday 12th December 21:16

Well yeah my point being that people think more aggressive speed limits are a solution to people who were already breaking the law. But people like to bring in lower speed limits under the (sometimes) false assumption is helps. It doesn't always.

I must say as someone who does YouTube and who has in the past lived in London, and who enjoys performance cars.... I really, really cannot understand the appeal of driving a supercar through London if I didn't have to. The behaviour of a small number of very visible people in Knightsbridge/Chelsea really don't help, at all. Being a petrolhead in the modern age is a fine line to tread... enjoy responsibly, and all that.

[allister]

TooMany2cvs said:

allister said:

I'm just looking at the photo here, which shows the distance between where the pedestrian came over the railing and where the car has come to a holt.... I may be wrong, or perhaps missing something but it seems to me, that the distance travelled from estimated impact to stop seems really quite short, suggesting less a case of high speed racing and more a case of slipping and losing control, following a short burst of acceleration.... Does anyone else see this, or perhaps have a different view?

ISWYM, but bear in mind the pedestrian would have been hit by the front half of the car, not the back, and would have been thrown in the same direction as the car was travelling - I'm not sure it is only that short a distance.

I'd guess that the one who went over the railing was the same one as put the big imprint in the windscreen.

Yeah, good point

[oilspill]

allister said:

I'm just looking at the photo here, which shows the distance between where the pedestrian came over the railing and where the car has come to a holt.... I may be wrong, or perhaps missing something but it seems to me, that the distance travelled from estimated impact to stop seems really quite short, suggesting less a case of high speed racing and more a case of slipping and losing control, following a short burst of acceleration.... Does anyone else see this, or perhaps have a different view?

The green hatchback under the railing has a broken rear window, if this was caused by the impact of a body I would have thought the Ferrari would have impacted the body a bit further back than you suggest. Maybe 3 car lengths from where it came to a halt. That is quite a distance from the road to the rear window, so I would guess he's mounted the pavement after losing the back end to the right before the kink in the road, just missed the lamp post roughly 4 car lengths back, and he's then had enough momentum to get back onto the road where he's come to a stop. Possibly lost it at 50MPH and impacted at less than 40MPH? pointless guess work though at this stage, I initially wondered if the kids were already in the road.

[boxerTen]

J4CKO said:

Is the ESP stuff not upto containing all that mid engined performance ? surely nobody turns it off in the wet ?

The ESP is fairly astonishing, but can be overwhelmed by the ham-fisted. Drive the Speciale hard but smoothly and you typically have ample time to catch things, and the ESP will sometimes beat you to it. Its not invincible though. Mine let go quite substantially in the wet at Donnington while cornering at circa 75 mph on light throttle, with no provocation I discerned, save I was already on the limit. In the wet one opens/closes the throttle smoothly - full throttle in the first four gears will, at the least, provoke the traction control - and closing the throttle abruptly, I believe, robs the ESP of the option of applying drive to a wheel. Bottom line is treat with respect!

[edo]

Not quite clear what SOCO are doing here driving up and down?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2380695/battersea-fe...