Would you still buy a diesel now?
Discussion
Jag_NE said:
Apologies if I missed it but the article doesn't seem to make clear what an "older" diesel is defined as, or when the legislation will take effect. If its immediate and only Euro6 is exempt, then the impact will be huge. If it is implemented further down the line and perhaps Euro5 is also exempted, it would be materially lower in terms of impact on the vehicle population. A lot of the diesel fleet die or at the end of their useful lives at a much younger age due to duty cycles.
I wouldn't rely on the BBC for actual details:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-21...
"The court said Euro 5 cars must be exempt from bans until Sept. 2019, while Euro 4 vehicles and earlier models can be removed from the streets immediately."
daemon said:
Joey Deacon said:
I think diesels only work for people doing high mileage or driving a heavy car such as a 4X4 or S class/A8/5 Series etc.
Indeed. Thats all they EVER should have been bought for. Unfortunately people became obsessed with the low tax rate on them, the better "economy" and the perceived better residuals come resale timeI bought a 2004 Accord Diesel last year, and I will be keeping it until it costs too much to inevitably fix whenever it decides it has had enough. After that, who knows. I am far too poor to be buying new so whatever I get will be on the end of the depreciation curve.
The torque is immense, it goes like a stabbed rat but it doesn’t half kick out s
t when the hammer is down after a few days careful driving, I do feel a little bad about that.
The torque is immense, it goes like a stabbed rat but it doesn’t half kick out s
t when the hammer is down after a few days careful driving, I do feel a little bad about that. Hamburg wants to be the first city to enforce the new regulations, however they want to limit it to certain streets where pollution is very high.
At the moment, without a system to differentiate the different diesel environmental standards, it is impossible to supervise any form of ban.
What also contributes heavily to the pollution are diesel owners that remove the particulate filter in their car, in order to save on maintenance. It is extremely popular on taxis.
It's quite sad how activists follow an agenda against diesels, without thinking about the consequences and reasonable alternatives.
Modern diesels are more fuel efficient, produce less CO2 and PM than a comparable petrol engine.
Less diesels will reduce NO2 in cities, but more petrol engines will significantly increase PM and CO2.
Buying an electric vehicle is also not an alternative, during its production it produces as much CO2 as an equivalent diesel vehicle between 25.000 - 50.000 miles, depending on the vehicle.
That means you have to drive an electric vehicle 50.000 miles until it becomes more ecological than a diesel, it is questionable after how many miles a battery needs a renewal and what the effects will be on pollution.
Responsible for the bad reputation of the diesel engine is the automotive industry that wanted to increase profit, by not implementing expensive technology to reduce pollution. Equally responsible are politics by not introducing proper testing and being influenced by lobbyists to implement less regulations on engines.
At the moment, without a system to differentiate the different diesel environmental standards, it is impossible to supervise any form of ban.
What also contributes heavily to the pollution are diesel owners that remove the particulate filter in their car, in order to save on maintenance. It is extremely popular on taxis.
It's quite sad how activists follow an agenda against diesels, without thinking about the consequences and reasonable alternatives.
Modern diesels are more fuel efficient, produce less CO2 and PM than a comparable petrol engine.
Less diesels will reduce NO2 in cities, but more petrol engines will significantly increase PM and CO2.
Buying an electric vehicle is also not an alternative, during its production it produces as much CO2 as an equivalent diesel vehicle between 25.000 - 50.000 miles, depending on the vehicle.
That means you have to drive an electric vehicle 50.000 miles until it becomes more ecological than a diesel, it is questionable after how many miles a battery needs a renewal and what the effects will be on pollution.
Responsible for the bad reputation of the diesel engine is the automotive industry that wanted to increase profit, by not implementing expensive technology to reduce pollution. Equally responsible are politics by not introducing proper testing and being influenced by lobbyists to implement less regulations on engines.
Edited by IbrahimLafayette on Tuesday 27th February 16:08
colinrob said:
I bought my first diesel last in 2016 purely for the performance Audi SQ5 5.1 to 60 and keeps pulling like a train the new petrol SQ5 is slower did not get it for economy or tax, it’s been a fantastic car with no issues except for a nail in the tyre
You bought it "purely for the performance"? There are lots of cars that would have been faster whilst not sounding like a tractor.I was pondering this at the weekend. I popped by the Volvo dealer in Milton Keynes who had a lovely dark blue XC70 (64 plate) D5, with the light interior - smashing.
It didn’t even occur to me that a car this recent would be subject to the ULEZ zone in 2019 - but it is! The dealer wanted £20k for it.
£20k for a car that wouldn’t allow me to do my job (without being charged extra).
No.
My 2002 petrol Volvo won’t be subject to the charge.
It didn’t even occur to me that a car this recent would be subject to the ULEZ zone in 2019 - but it is! The dealer wanted £20k for it.
£20k for a car that wouldn’t allow me to do my job (without being charged extra).
No.
My 2002 petrol Volvo won’t be subject to the charge.
This is the reason I am handing my Q7 back to the finance company at a VT on halves as it’s worth less than a third of what I paid 2yrs ago.
I accept depreciation and moreso on large engine SUVs but it’s at an extreme where it makes no sense financially to keep it no matter how much I like it
Would I buy another diesel? It’s only my 2nd (the first being a 2009/09 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited) and I wouldn’t ever consider a diesel again. I’ve never benefited from good mpg as both average under 23mpg over their life with me (c.35k p/a)
My next daily is likely to be a VW Up! GTi or an Abarth 595c / 695c as fancy something nice and small for a change
I accept depreciation and moreso on large engine SUVs but it’s at an extreme where it makes no sense financially to keep it no matter how much I like it
Would I buy another diesel? It’s only my 2nd (the first being a 2009/09 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited) and I wouldn’t ever consider a diesel again. I’ve never benefited from good mpg as both average under 23mpg over their life with me (c.35k p/a)
My next daily is likely to be a VW Up! GTi or an Abarth 595c / 695c as fancy something nice and small for a change
Patch1875 said:
I’m looking for a fast-ish mid sized car for around 20k but most seems to be diesel or pretty uninspiring petrols.
Seen a nice C250 AMG Line premium but the chances of it bombing in value are putting me off the petrol version is pretty rare and a lot more sluggish.
Should easily get a 335i for that?Seen a nice C250 AMG Line premium but the chances of it bombing in value are putting me off the petrol version is pretty rare and a lot more sluggish.
In answer to the OP, yes and I’ve just ordered a brand new diesel car. Not leased, purchased.
My circumstances suit diesel and it is an easy decision. I did toy with a Hybrid but it just doesn’t fulfil my requirements in a car.
30/35k a year. Keep for 5 years. Hardly ever drive in cities as I live in the country. I also plan to give the car to my wife in 5 yearss time when the car no longer qualifies for my car allowance.
Shall I put my tin hat on?
My circumstances suit diesel and it is an easy decision. I did toy with a Hybrid but it just doesn’t fulfil my requirements in a car.
30/35k a year. Keep for 5 years. Hardly ever drive in cities as I live in the country. I also plan to give the car to my wife in 5 yearss time when the car no longer qualifies for my car allowance.
Shall I put my tin hat on?
Patch1875 said:
I’m looking for a fast-ish mid sized car for around 20k but most seems to be diesel or pretty uninspiring petrols.
Seen a nice C250 AMG Line premium but the chances of it bombing in value are putting me off the petrol version is pretty rare and a lot more sluggish.
S4Seen a nice C250 AMG Line premium but the chances of it bombing in value are putting me off the petrol version is pretty rare and a lot more sluggish.
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No. The Gov should start a trade in for the next gen 2018/2019 EVs which are coming to market later this year.
As someone who lived in the country side for 10 years I don't think people who live in cities realise just how much they smell of diesel to an outsider. That can't be good for you.
As someone who lived in the country side for 10 years I don't think people who live in cities realise just how much they smell of diesel to an outsider. That can't be good for you.
SebastienClement said:
I was pondering this at the weekend. I popped by the Volvo dealer in Milton Keynes who had a lovely dark blue XC70 (64 plate) D5, with the light interior - smashing.
It didn’t even occur to me that a car this recent would be subject to the ULEZ zone in 2019 - but it is! The dealer wanted £20k for it.
£20k for a car that wouldn’t allow me to do my job (without being charged extra).
No.
Is that not Euro 6 standard?It didn’t even occur to me that a car this recent would be subject to the ULEZ zone in 2019 - but it is! The dealer wanted £20k for it.
£20k for a car that wouldn’t allow me to do my job (without being charged extra).
No.
It’s Euro 6 for diesel, but only Euro 4 for petrol.
My 2002 Petrol Volvo is Euro 4 compliant, despite only having to be Euro3 compliant at the time of registration. The ULEZ checker says the vehicle is NOT subject to the charge.
However, it is possible that Euro 5 diesels were being registered right up until September 2016. You could have a 16 reg diesel car that would not be compliant.
My 2002 Petrol Volvo is Euro 4 compliant, despite only having to be Euro3 compliant at the time of registration. The ULEZ checker says the vehicle is NOT subject to the charge.
However, it is possible that Euro 5 diesels were being registered right up until September 2016. You could have a 16 reg diesel car that would not be compliant.
SebastienClement said:
It’s Euro 6 for diesel, but only Euro 4 for petrol.
My 2002 Petrol Volvo is Euro 4 compliant, despite only having to be Euro3 compliant at the time of registration. The ULEZ checker says the vehicle is NOT subject to the charge.
However, it is possible that Euro 5 diesels were being registered right up until September 2016. You could have a 16 reg diesel car that would not be compliant.
Seems like anyone who bought one recently could have huge reasons to be extremely pissed off with the government right now!My 2002 Petrol Volvo is Euro 4 compliant, despite only having to be Euro3 compliant at the time of registration. The ULEZ checker says the vehicle is NOT subject to the charge.
However, it is possible that Euro 5 diesels were being registered right up until September 2016. You could have a 16 reg diesel car that would not be compliant.
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