RE: VW Tiguan R testing
Discussion
Most likely a mule for the next RS Q3
Q3 is getting older but no prototypes have been sighted yet, makes sense to get the 5 cyl Suv testing going in a mule (prototype running gear with different body)
IN plate also points to Audi, not VW
Tiguan very unlikely recipient of 5 cyl. RS Q3 successor much more so. As suggested before, Audi should put this engine in the S4 instead of that V6 (RS2 succesor - MLB evo fits the w12). Together with some dieting like they did with the most recent RS3, could be a great car...
Q3 is getting older but no prototypes have been sighted yet, makes sense to get the 5 cyl Suv testing going in a mule (prototype running gear with different body)
IN plate also points to Audi, not VW
Tiguan very unlikely recipient of 5 cyl. RS Q3 successor much more so. As suggested before, Audi should put this engine in the S4 instead of that V6 (RS2 succesor - MLB evo fits the w12). Together with some dieting like they did with the most recent RS3, could be a great car...
Edited by Onehp on Wednesday 23 August 04:19
What an utter bag of sick. From VW the parts bin specialists. Other than the body, there probably isn't a single item specifically designed for that car. Just utter crap and I can't see why anyone would buy any VW. To name a simply outstanding feature on any car is impossible. They are dull, miserable, middle of the road Euro-boxes for people who don't know anything about cars, that simply want to spend more than their next door neighbours. b
ks.
ks.MrBarry123 said:
Because it'll do pretty much everything I'd ever need it to do whilst being quick and...
Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
Because you could have most of that in an estate and don't drive something that is high off the ground so it can pretend to be an offroader.Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
High driving position - seriously - why is that such a big thing? That and "I'm taking it to the shoot" creeps up in every SUV discussion and to me both sound like clutching at straws type of argument.
Put that engine in a Passat and make a decent R36 successor.
Burwood said:
CDP said:
Burwood said:
We are also quite rural so often hit the odd paddock outside the pub or single track road.
I love this excuse, sorry reason. It's trotted out so many Londoners who move out to the country (or suburbs) to justify their shiny new off roader to their liberal ecomentalist towny friends.Having lived in the country all my life on single track roads a Fiat Panda or my MG works better because they're narrow. I'm not sure fat high performance tyres will help much on a paddock and certainly not as good as winter tyres on FWD in the snow.
Liking it should enough to own an SUV, supercar, boat etc, what others think it's terribly important unless you're planning on being an MP. (In which case I'd suggest a castle, collection of vintage Bentleys and raging libido)
I have a little boy and said the height could be useful but my wife coped well with her TT (OK, that was a 4X4 I guess) before buying a Golf which was more effective. I can genuinely see the appeal in a large car for families but a well designed pushchair can fold up in one move.
My brother and his wife ran a Kangoo - you could wheel the pushchair in the back and the rubber floor meant trips to the beach caused no worries.
My Dad ran a split screen VW camper. Maybe that's the ideal family car, if you ignore the safety implications that is?
CDP said:
Burwood said:
CDP said:
Burwood said:
We are also quite rural so often hit the odd paddock outside the pub or single track road.
I love this excuse, sorry reason. It's trotted out so many Londoners who move out to the country (or suburbs) to justify their shiny new off roader to their liberal ecomentalist towny friends.Having lived in the country all my life on single track roads a Fiat Panda or my MG works better because they're narrow. I'm not sure fat high performance tyres will help much on a paddock and certainly not as good as winter tyres on FWD in the snow.
Liking it should enough to own an SUV, supercar, boat etc, what others think it's terribly important unless you're planning on being an MP. (In which case I'd suggest a castle, collection of vintage Bentleys and raging libido)
I have a little boy and said the height could be useful but my wife coped well with her TT (OK, that was a 4X4 I guess) before buying a Golf which was more effective. I can genuinely see the appeal in a large car for families but a well designed pushchair can fold up in one move.
My brother and his wife ran a Kangoo - you could wheel the pushchair in the back and the rubber floor meant trips to the beach caused no worries.
My Dad ran a split screen VW camper. Maybe that's the ideal family car, if you ignore the safety implications that is?
She also wanted the pushchair which had certain features, not the one that took up the smallest footprint.
Bladedancer said:
MrBarry123 said:
Because it'll do pretty much everything I'd ever need it to do whilst being quick and...
Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
Because you could have most of that in an estate and don't drive something that is high off the ground so it can pretend to be an offroader.Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
High driving position - seriously - why is that such a big thing? That and "I'm taking it to the shoot" creeps up in every SUV discussion and to me both sound like clutching at straws type of argument.
Put that engine in a Passat and make a decent R36 successor.
Is it that you just done like it?
And the Passat R36 wasn't exatcley a success was it?
Burwood said:
My wife wanted an SUV.
Surely that's the only reason you need?I wasn't having a go, I find the country lane argument amusing that's all.
The Kangoo is probably the most logical family car but it's far from the most desirable (though I rather liked it). As with his Elise before that it's a focused car, years latter replaced with a Jaguar XJ.
HardMiles said:
What an utter bag of sick. From VW the parts bin specialists. Other than the body, there probably isn't a single item specifically designed for that car. Just utter crap and I can't see why anyone would buy any VW. To name a simply outstanding feature on any car is impossible. They are dull, miserable, middle of the road Euro-boxes for people who don't know anything about cars, that simply want to spend more than their next door neighbours. bks.
Yeah, because parts/platform sharing never happens these days does it...ks.Bladedancer said:
MrBarry123 said:
Because it'll do pretty much everything I'd ever need it to do whilst being quick and...
Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
Because you could have most of that in an estate and don't drive something that is high off the ground so it can pretend to be an offroader.Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
High driving position - seriously - why is that such a big thing? That and "I'm taking it to the shoot" creeps up in every SUV discussion and to me both sound like clutching at straws type of argument.
And don't knock the higher driving position until you've tried it, plus you wait until you get the wrong side of the half century mark and start to have pain/discomfort lowering yourself into or trying to get out of a low car. You'll change your tune.
10 years ago I couldn't have ever seen myself in a SUV/4x4 type of vehicle......after owning one now for 6 months, I wouldn't consider anything else as a daily driver now.
Burwood said:
I'll agree it would be adequate but it's still a 2.0L Diesel with an extra turbo and the wick turned up on what is the same engine. A nice £4k premium . I've read that it is unrefined and given the 150PS Diesel actually returns sub 40mpg the 240PS version must be 30mpg real world. I'd rather pay 2-3k more and get the FF petrol
Sorry, I'm calling bks on the fuel efficiency figures you're giving there. Long-term on the equivalent 4wd Q5 a family member has had ~50mpg out of theirs, and I know of at least 2 new (190bhp 4wd auto) Q5s giving over 45mpg. Claiming bks figures doesn't make your argument stronger. Fair enough, you don't like a diesel SUV (neither do I, particular), but some folk will and there's nothing inherently wrong with that choice.Onehp said:
Audi should put this engine in the S4 instead of that V6 (RS2 succesor - MLB evo fits the w12). Together with some dieting like they did with the most recent RS3, could be a great car...
Whilst I agree with your point, I can also see why they wouldn't. They'd have to 'detune' the 5cyl for the S4/5 and increase the power a fair bit for the RS4/5 which I would imagine is pushing this engine further than Audi want to? Edited by Onehp on Wednesday 23 August 04:19
I owned a TIguan Sport a few years back . The most unsporty vehicle ever and its appalling , crashing ride was the only thing remotely 'sporty' about it. I needed some offroad ability and it was excellent for what I needed - single track steep , snowy roads . river banks and unsurfaced forest roads. But why on earth anybody would try to turn this utterly unsexy , overlardy and perpendicular styled vehicle into something fast escapes me . But doubtless the same folk who buy Q5s and Q7s to combat the wild outdoors of Wandsworth and Wimbledon will love 'em .
coppice said:
I owned a TIguan Sport a few years back . The most unsporty vehicle ever and its appalling , crashing ride was the only thing remotely 'sporty' about it. I needed some offroad ability and it was excellent for what I needed - single track steep , snowy roads . river banks and unsurfaced forest roads. But why on earth anybody would try to turn this utterly unsexy , overlardy and perpendicular styled vehicle into something fast escapes me . But doubtless the same folk who buy Q5s and Q7s to combat the wild outdoors of Wandsworth and Wimbledon will love 'em .
The new one (not the one you had) is actually not bad to drive. We had the top spec R-Line diesel for a few days and it doesn't feel much different to a Golf in all honesty.HJMS123 said:
Whilst I agree with your point, I can also see why they wouldn't. They'd have to 'detune' the 5cyl for the S4/5 and increase the power a fair bit for the RS4/5 which I would imagine is pushing this engine further than Audi want to?
Doesn't fit in their current market positioning strategy indeed, but they could make it fit if they wanted. Which is probably the main issue, they don't. Bladedancer said:
MrBarry123 said:
Because it'll do pretty much everything I'd ever need it to do whilst being quick and...
Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
Because you could have most of that in an estate and don't drive something that is high off the ground so it can pretend to be an offroader.Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
High driving position - seriously - why is that such a big thing? That and "I'm taking it to the shoot" creeps up in every SUV discussion and to me both sound like clutching at straws type of argument.
Put that engine in a Passat and make a decent R36 successor.
I don't shoot so I can't use that excuse however where we (sometimes) walk the dog is a bit muddy so I'll use that to validate my preference.
Also...
We probably visit Wales for a maximum of 3 days a year and some of the roads are a bit dodge.
And our local Waitrose has quite a steep incline to the car park, as does my local train station's multi-storey.
And the local pub's car park is a bit rutted.
And once we had a hard frost in both December AND January. With the Tiguan having a dedicated 'Snow' mode, I would no longer panic as the temperature falls.
And I've become very adept at collecting Shell Fuel Points.
And I'm a child.
If it does become reality and I get hold of one, I'll stalk you to every set of traffic lights and show you just how great it is!
As a former Tiguan R-line (170 TDI) owner some years ago, I'm going to defend the Tiguan here.
The R-line came with more sport suspension, which wasn't hard or crashy, but gave a decent sporty ride. I would often be able to keep up with hatchbacks (not hot hatches) on many back roads. OK, you had to be conscious of the extra weight and higher centre of gravity, but overall it gave a decent fist of being sporty (for a small SUV)
For me, the Tiguan has been better looking than the Q3. The Golf-R handles better than the S3 (I own an S3 Saloon) so if this is indeed going to be a Tiguan with a 5-pot motor, not only will it look better than the next Q3 RS, but it'll no doubt handle better too.
Many that are slagging this car off, no doubt own / have owned a RR/Cayenne/Macan etc, yet as this is smaller, it must be rubbish. Not everyone want a huge SUV
Life style choice plays a part in peoples choices too. Years ago, It'd never dream of owning such a car. I've owned most of the decent Hot hatches over the years. Done the AWD Rally rep thing, and done the low slung sports car (R8) thing too.
But as I get a bit older, as I now work from home, and as my weekend antics change, so my thoughts of what car fits my lifestyle best comes to mind.
I never really get chance to go out for a weekend blast (so don't need a 2 seater sports car)
My GF doesn't like being driven around very fast (so probably rules out an RS3 Saloon)
I have a bad back (so something a little higher makes getting in and out a bit less painful)
Weekends when I'm not working get spent over the lakes or in the country side going for walks, so maybe something a little higher makes going down a rugged track a bit better, and for seeing over hedges.
I got rid of my Tiguan after 3 years, as I fancied something with more overtaking punch. If VW do actually sell this car, I will seriously consider it, as the car fits what I require from it, and the engine makes sure I can overtake slower traffic easily and safely.
And when I do fancy going round a roundabout of 3 wheels, I have a Twingo 133 RS for that.
The R-line came with more sport suspension, which wasn't hard or crashy, but gave a decent sporty ride. I would often be able to keep up with hatchbacks (not hot hatches) on many back roads. OK, you had to be conscious of the extra weight and higher centre of gravity, but overall it gave a decent fist of being sporty (for a small SUV)
For me, the Tiguan has been better looking than the Q3. The Golf-R handles better than the S3 (I own an S3 Saloon) so if this is indeed going to be a Tiguan with a 5-pot motor, not only will it look better than the next Q3 RS, but it'll no doubt handle better too.
Many that are slagging this car off, no doubt own / have owned a RR/Cayenne/Macan etc, yet as this is smaller, it must be rubbish. Not everyone want a huge SUV
Life style choice plays a part in peoples choices too. Years ago, It'd never dream of owning such a car. I've owned most of the decent Hot hatches over the years. Done the AWD Rally rep thing, and done the low slung sports car (R8) thing too.
But as I get a bit older, as I now work from home, and as my weekend antics change, so my thoughts of what car fits my lifestyle best comes to mind.
I never really get chance to go out for a weekend blast (so don't need a 2 seater sports car)
My GF doesn't like being driven around very fast (so probably rules out an RS3 Saloon)
I have a bad back (so something a little higher makes getting in and out a bit less painful)
Weekends when I'm not working get spent over the lakes or in the country side going for walks, so maybe something a little higher makes going down a rugged track a bit better, and for seeing over hedges.
I got rid of my Tiguan after 3 years, as I fancied something with more overtaking punch. If VW do actually sell this car, I will seriously consider it, as the car fits what I require from it, and the engine makes sure I can overtake slower traffic easily and safely.
And when I do fancy going round a roundabout of 3 wheels, I have a Twingo 133 RS for that.
HardMiles said:
What an utter bag of sick. From VW the parts bin specialists. Other than the body, there probably isn't a single item specifically designed for that car. Just utter crap and I can't see why anyone would buy any VW. To name a simply outstanding feature on any car is impossible. They are dull, miserable, middle of the road Euro-boxes for people who don't know anything about cars, that simply want to spend more than their next door neighbours. bks.
I love it when people sit on the fence ks.
MrBarry123 said:
Because it'll do pretty much everything I'd ever need it to do whilst being quick and...
Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
All of the above .. I couldn't agree more. Because it sounds nice.
Because it's a bit interesting with that engine.
Because I've always liked the look of the new Tiguan but the current engine choices are a bit "meh".
Because I'd like to have a bit of "go" should I need it.
Because it looks slow but is fast.
Because I sometimes enjoy a higher driving position which an estate can't give me.
This would suit me and Mrs FoB down to the ground right now!
I think it must be something to do with the asthetics which is fair enough, they look good in their compact kind of way. Estate cars do look a tad long and dull regardless of the model..... So I think I have my answers, first, people buy these because they look good, second, they dont have the funds to have both a baby SUV and a toy and possibly third, the safety aspect, however putting a 400hp 5 cylinder kind of defeats the object here.
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