RE: Audi R8 Spyder V10 Plus vs McLaren 570S Spider
Discussion
Chestrockwell said:
Anyways my point is, do R8 drivers do enough miles (or motorway miles) to actually use cruise control? Maybe Audi don’t offer it standard to save however amount of time it takes to install in the factory
Had cruise in both my TT's and now in my R8 and I can count on one hand how many times I've used it. And half of those were for the novelty value. Maybe it's more useful in other countries / autobahns / etc.AdamV8V said:
£227,000
Two-hundred-and-twenty-seven-thousand-pounds.
At that price I'll take my 600bhp drop-top in the shape of Vanquish S Volante, thanks
But it’s not £227k is it... Two-hundred-and-twenty-seven-thousand-pounds.
At that price I'll take my 600bhp drop-top in the shape of Vanquish S Volante, thanks
it’s £165 plus what you feel you need in options... most aren’t going to spec it to plus £62k of options.
The R8 does absolutely nothing for me. Though I would much prefer an N/A engine, I just couldn’t have it just for that.. and engine in a car I didn’t like.
I love the Aston but I wouldn’t be on my list if I’m looking at 2 seaters.
I’d take the 570S
NewNameNeeded said:
Chestrockwell said:
Anyways my point is, do R8 drivers do enough miles (or motorway miles) to actually use cruise control? Maybe Audi don’t offer it standard to save however amount of time it takes to install in the factory
Had cruise in both my TT's and now in my R8 and I can count on one hand how many times I've used it. And half of those were for the novelty value. Maybe it's more useful in other countries / autobahns / etc.For those who care - current Audi 'cruise control' is not just a set speed, but also a limiter as well. Try living near a major section of road that has speed cameras and a 50mph limit like I do. It's a handy little option. But much like the massage function on my seats - standard is still optional...you can choose to use it or not. But that does not change one bit the fact that if it's standard on a 'lesser' model...
NewNameNeeded said:
PhantomPH said:
Again, that is entirely missing the point. Standard on a £40k Audi - cost option on a £140k Audi. Wrong way round, surely?
Well, it might have been entirely missing the point you were making, but I double checked and it was precisely the point I wanted to make 
Got you... McLaren engineers taking the development of your next pride and joy purchase seriously while the Italians quaff lambrusco and toss about all day... McLaren every day of the year....
Sine Metu said:
Too brands that have a similar cold mechanical soullessness about them for me. When I think of McLaren's I think of men in McLaren branded racing shoes and McLaren branded jackets hanging around wet windswept circuits somewhere with other men in McLaren branded racing shoes and McLaren branded jackets. They're like the Suburu Imprezza's of the supercar world. When I think of a Lamborghini or a Ferrari I think jeans, T-shirt, jeans, empty road, no one else around, go. Something very different.
Chestrockwell said:
Anyways my point is, do R8 drivers do enough miles (or motorway miles) to actually use cruise control? Maybe Audi don’t offer it standard to save however amount of time it takes to install in the factory
Its not so much about amount of miles, its about type of driving / getting caught.I don't have cruise control in my Lambo and I don't really need it because every time I get caught speeding here its a cash fine, no points.
Back in UK i'd say its a very nice thing to have... in a big engine comfortable car its extremely easy for your speed to creep up a bit... cruise control and/or max speed options are decent to have there just as a fail safe, given 101mph is highly likely to be a ban.
ks you can. Streetrod said:
Very few customers are likely to ever spec a 570s to that price
The R8 doesn't start at that price either.The RWD R8 is £112k on DTD (£6k off) https://www.drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/AUDI/R8...
I suspect it's better specced than the base McLaren, which starts at £164k.
Not really the same price category.
Chestrockwell said:
Well, I’m only trying to figure out why it isn’t standard and what I said could be a factor, I have no idea how long it takes to add cruise control on a car in the factory but that could be why, I’m just trying to figure out why they don’t offer it as standard like the rest of us on here!
Because they are in it to make profit. I bet adding cruise as standard would cost a modern car company about £5-10 a pop for the stalk, the logic is a bit of code on a chip. It costs a lot more to have cruise on some but not others.Cruise is bloody useful in UK for increasing use of SPECS, wish I had it on my turbo where a sneeze can add 10mph
shrektus said:
Streetrod said:
Very few customers are likely to ever spec a 570s to that price
The R8 doesn't start at that price either.The RWD R8 is £112k on DTD (£6k off) https://www.drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/AUDI/R8...
I suspect it's better specced than the base McLaren, which starts at £164k.
Not really the same price category.
Uppercut said:
McLaren's are the white goods of the supercar world to me. P1 aside (which I can't afford) and the 675LT, they do nothing for me.
In this comparison, for me, the Audi looks better, has a nicer interior, is more usable and has by far the better engine.
No issue with your opinion.In this comparison, for me, the Audi looks better, has a nicer interior, is more usable and has by far the better engine.
If McLarens are white goods of the supercar world, where does Audi sit in your opinion?
I seem to recall the journalists originally agreeing that the R8 (original V10) felt spookily light and weightless on GB roads - more so than any of its rivals. In fact a Ferrari engineer himself said that they need to learn how Audi stopped it feeling heavy.
Having had one myself, I agree - it floated along the road with a sharpness and liveliness that made mockery of its weight. Certainly drove better than my 458.
There seems to be an obsession with kerb weight without taking into account the drive. Kind of 'if it's heavy it's crap' philosophy. Surely the key point is how it feels to drive? Maybe the Mac is a nicer drive, and maybe that is due to weight, bit I'd warrant that's not the only reason. If that were the case, take away all of the chassis systems, active aerodynamics and other such things and surely you'd have a better car?
In fact, let's just stop testing cars at all and just rank them by kerb weight.
Just saying - let's stop being obsessive about one (important but not crucial) element of a car's statistics
Having had one myself, I agree - it floated along the road with a sharpness and liveliness that made mockery of its weight. Certainly drove better than my 458.
There seems to be an obsession with kerb weight without taking into account the drive. Kind of 'if it's heavy it's crap' philosophy. Surely the key point is how it feels to drive? Maybe the Mac is a nicer drive, and maybe that is due to weight, bit I'd warrant that's not the only reason. If that were the case, take away all of the chassis systems, active aerodynamics and other such things and surely you'd have a better car?
In fact, let's just stop testing cars at all and just rank them by kerb weight.
Just saying - let's stop being obsessive about one (important but not crucial) element of a car's statistics
Well they are not solely a supercar manufacturer unlike McLaren, so it's not really a valid comparison.
Virtually the same engine and looks across the range are what kill McLaren for me. The 720s is a departure I will concede, but not an attractive departure.
All these these cars are blinding fast and handle fantastically. I'm not a professional driver. I don't do track days. So what a car looks like and sounds like is very important to me as on the road they are all extremely competent to the point of being identical.
It's what certain cars look like and sound like that sets them apart, and I'm happy to admit it plays a big part in my opinions and purchases.
Virtually the same engine and looks across the range are what kill McLaren for me. The 720s is a departure I will concede, but not an attractive departure.
All these these cars are blinding fast and handle fantastically. I'm not a professional driver. I don't do track days. So what a car looks like and sounds like is very important to me as on the road they are all extremely competent to the point of being identical.
It's what certain cars look like and sound like that sets them apart, and I'm happy to admit it plays a big part in my opinions and purchases.
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