RE: Embracing our electric future
Discussion
big_rob_sydney said:
Luddites. Dinosaurs. Yeah, you lot, you f
kers.
People bhed and moaned, and yet diesels which sound comparatively like crap, have smashed it at endurance racing. And guess what, you tight arses couldn't get enough of them to drive as road cars either, up until diesel-gate.
Well guess what. EVs are the same. They sound like st as race cars, but translate well to the road. And they're still relatively immature as compared to the ICE which has had the lions share of development funding during the last 100 years or so.
Spare me your outrage. You lot represent about 0.0000001% of the planet, and no one gives a fk what you think.
kers.People b
hed and moaned, and yet diesels which sound comparatively like crap, have smashed it at endurance racing. And guess what, you tight arses couldn't get enough of them to drive as road cars either, up until diesel-gate.Well guess what. EVs are the same. They sound like s
t as race cars, but translate well to the road. And they're still relatively immature as compared to the ICE which has had the lions share of development funding during the last 100 years or so.Spare me your outrage. You lot represent about 0.0000001% of the planet, and no one gives a f
k what you think.
Guess what?
No one gives a f
k what you think.EVs still make up less than 0.5% of vehicles in the UK.
I'm a petrolhead, a motorsport fan and participant. I love the noise and the smell as much as anyone.
However, I wouldn't write this off, it may well be the future. Electric cars will gain their enthusiasts, just like diesel cars have. I've been on track with people in souped up diesels. If you can enjoy that you can enjoy electric and people will. Of course the racing itself isn't sustainable, but people will turn up to watch in their own Teslas or Leafs or whatever. And then some people will go away and order one, because they enjoyed seeing them on track.
There's a reason manufacturers are flocking to Formula E rather than F1 and electric saloon or touring car racing is a natural progression of that. Single make racing is rubbish but as soon as other manufacturers have fast electric cars there will be big interest in a multi make electric race series. It's not about developing the technology, it's about marketing.
There will come a generation that has never seen or heard a V8 in person. They won't miss it, but they will enjoy cars and racing and all the noises and smells that come with it.
However, I wouldn't write this off, it may well be the future. Electric cars will gain their enthusiasts, just like diesel cars have. I've been on track with people in souped up diesels. If you can enjoy that you can enjoy electric and people will. Of course the racing itself isn't sustainable, but people will turn up to watch in their own Teslas or Leafs or whatever. And then some people will go away and order one, because they enjoyed seeing them on track.
There's a reason manufacturers are flocking to Formula E rather than F1 and electric saloon or touring car racing is a natural progression of that. Single make racing is rubbish but as soon as other manufacturers have fast electric cars there will be big interest in a multi make electric race series. It's not about developing the technology, it's about marketing.
There will come a generation that has never seen or heard a V8 in person. They won't miss it, but they will enjoy cars and racing and all the noises and smells that come with it.
Mention of Diseasal doing well at LeMans....was that not more about the regulations favouring Diseasals?
See discussion from way back about that here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=70...
Diseasals were brought in to motorsport because we were told by governments that petrol was bad, and so manufacturers had to jump on the moral bandwagon.
We are now being told that Internal combustion engines are bad by governments and again manufacturers are to jump on the moral bandwagon to churn out electrics.
See discussion from way back about that here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=70...
Diseasals were brought in to motorsport because we were told by governments that petrol was bad, and so manufacturers had to jump on the moral bandwagon.
We are now being told that Internal combustion engines are bad by governments and again manufacturers are to jump on the moral bandwagon to churn out electrics.
Salamura said:
Pvapour said:
Brilliant!
Agree whole heartedly, it’s funny reading the feet stomp brigade rants, just sit back n watch the future hall them in...
So would you prefer to go and watch an electric car race to a ICE-powered car race then? Do you think it's going to be as good an experience?Agree whole heartedly, it’s funny reading the feet stomp brigade rants, just sit back n watch the future hall them in...
it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning t
t who bangs on about how things used to be.Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
Pvapour said:
You lot just don’t get it...
it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning tt who bangs on about how things used to be.
Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
You didn't reply to my question it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning t
t who bangs on about how things used to be.Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
. The topic is about electric car motorsport, there is a separate topic about whether electric cars are the future or not. And the future is supposed to be better, not worse, so if this is indeed the future of motorsport, then it is just worse. Or do you think that watching silent 2 tonne blobs that the driver needs to abandon halfway through the race to jump into the spare is indeed a better spectacle?
Too Drunk to Funk said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Luddites. Dinosaurs. Yeah, you lot, you fkers.
People bhed and moaned, and yet diesels which sound comparatively like crap, have smashed it at endurance racing. And guess what, you tight arses couldn't get enough of them to drive as road cars either, up until diesel-gate.
Well guess what. EVs are the same. They sound like st as race cars, but translate well to the road. And they're still relatively immature as compared to the ICE which has had the lions share of development funding during the last 100 years or so.
Spare me your outrage. You lot represent about 0.0000001% of the planet, and no one gives a fk what you think.
kers.People b
hed and moaned, and yet diesels which sound comparatively like crap, have smashed it at endurance racing. And guess what, you tight arses couldn't get enough of them to drive as road cars either, up until diesel-gate.Well guess what. EVs are the same. They sound like s
t as race cars, but translate well to the road. And they're still relatively immature as compared to the ICE which has had the lions share of development funding during the last 100 years or so.Spare me your outrage. You lot represent about 0.0000001% of the planet, and no one gives a f
k what you think.Guess what?
No one gives a f
k what you think.EVs still make up less than 0.5% of vehicles in the UK.
you keep laughing all you like 
Pvapour said:
You lot just don’t get it...
it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning tt who bangs on about how things used to be.
Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
Interesting - would you call someone a tit doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning t
t who bangs on about how things used to be.Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
t to their face at a PH meet? Is that how you would argue your point across in a face to face conversation?Stu08 said:
Pvapour said:
You lot just don’t get it...
it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning tt who bangs on about how things used to be.
Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
Interesting - would you call someone a tit doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning t
t who bangs on about how things used to be.Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
t to their face at a PH meet? Is that how you would argue your point across in a face to face conversation?
aaron_2000 said:
I'm sorry, why does it have a PC in the dash? What could a driver need that for in the middle of a race?
The reason the screen is still there is because of the elephant in the room with this idea - it's totally unsupported by Tesla so they have no ability to make any significant modifications to the car, and no third party people who can do it for them.So while the car might be tarted up a bit, have some trim removed and some safety equipment added for all intents and purposes it's just a normal road car with no real scope to tailor it for racing, and this extends to having to retain all the electronics.
The idea for this series has been kicking around for a while now and I'm still not convinced it will actually get anywhere beyond the demo car.
Salamura said:
Pvapour said:
You lot just don’t get it...
it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning tt who bangs on about how things used to be.
Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
You didn't reply to my question it doesn’t matter what I or you ‘think’ or ‘want’ it’s what has to and will change.
either go with it and be open to finding things to enjoy about it or don’t and be a miserable moaning t
t who bangs on about how things used to be.Makes no difference to me which you decide to be.
. The topic is about electric car motorsport, there is a separate topic about whether electric cars are the future or not. And the future is supposed to be better, not worse, so if this is indeed the future of motorsport, then it is just worse. Or do you think that watching silent 2 tonne blobs that the driver needs to abandon halfway through the race to jump into the spare is indeed a better spectacle?
I’m not sure I can answer as I’m not a watcher, I like to ‘do’ and in that respect I would embrace having a go, no more ear plugs would be cool
Edited by Pvapour on Friday 24th November 17:16
Jonesy23 said:
aaron_2000 said:
I'm sorry, why does it have a PC in the dash? What could a driver need that for in the middle of a race?
The reason the screen is still there is because of the elephant in the room with this idea - it's totally unsupported by Tesla so they have no ability to make any significant modifications to the car, and no third party people who can do it for them.So while the car might be tarted up a bit, have some trim removed and some safety equipment added for all intents and purposes it's just a normal road car with no real scope to tailor it for racing, and this extends to having to retain all the electronics.
The idea for this series has been kicking around for a while now and I'm still not convinced it will actually get anywhere beyond the demo car.
IMO, large scale motorsport will die in the next 50 years for two reasons:
1) With the march of autonomy (and to some degree electrification) who cares how a car drives. ALL that matters is cost and feature content. Those are both an irrelevance to motorsport. Racing on Sunday hasn't sold cars on Monday for at least a decade i suspect.
2) The youth of today don't want to watch, they want to DO! Back when i was young (no jokes at the back!) we went to watch motorsport because it was better than staying at home (telly was crap back then, and we didn't have any of the modern instant gratification resources as a modern child). We ALL would have much rather been racing the cars ourselves, but few were well off enough to actually do that. But today, as VR and online simulation and racing games get ever more realistic, kids WILL be able to race themselves in the virtual world. And who wants to watch someone else having fun when you could be having that fun yourself?
Yes, events like the Goodwood revival will bring crowns of old duffers like me out a few times a year to reminisce, but for the majority motorsport will be as irrelevant then as say chariot racing is today.
1) With the march of autonomy (and to some degree electrification) who cares how a car drives. ALL that matters is cost and feature content. Those are both an irrelevance to motorsport. Racing on Sunday hasn't sold cars on Monday for at least a decade i suspect.
2) The youth of today don't want to watch, they want to DO! Back when i was young (no jokes at the back!) we went to watch motorsport because it was better than staying at home (telly was crap back then, and we didn't have any of the modern instant gratification resources as a modern child). We ALL would have much rather been racing the cars ourselves, but few were well off enough to actually do that. But today, as VR and online simulation and racing games get ever more realistic, kids WILL be able to race themselves in the virtual world. And who wants to watch someone else having fun when you could be having that fun yourself?
Yes, events like the Goodwood revival will bring crowns of old duffers like me out a few times a year to reminisce, but for the majority motorsport will be as irrelevant then as say chariot racing is today.
It's why firms like Liberty Media are keenly buying up rights to modern racing that ties in with modern tech. There will still be racing and still be spectators but the spectators won't be leaving their living rooms and VR sets and the racing won't be anything that we can quite fathom currently.
DonkeyApple said:
It's why firms like Liberty Media are keenly buying up rights to modern racing that ties in with modern tech. There will still be racing and still be spectators but the spectators won't be leaving their living rooms and VR sets and the racing won't be anything that we can quite fathom currently.
That’s very bloody interesting 
Pvapour said:
That’s very bloody interesting
I bump into one of their head honchos a few times a year in one of our preferred watering holes and the last time I saw him, over the summer, he was tremendously excited about a tiny deal he'd just completed for drone racing. He said it was the gateway to do away with the hassle of having to get people to an event and only being able to get a small number there. That this deal was about cracking how to get people to 'be there' but still be in their living room and how VR will make sitting in your arm chair watching a race more visceral than actually being there could ever be. The Crack Fox said:
"Sustainable" - Please fk off with such language. How is building a new car, using all those materials, charging it, using all that electricity, and then racing it, which means going round in circles for no discernible reason, ever be "sustainable". Please, fk off, and I mean right off, not just a bit, properly off.
Hear bloomin' hear.k off with such language. How is building a new car, using all those materials, charging it, using all that electricity, and then racing it, which means going round in circles for no discernible reason, ever be "sustainable". Please, fk off, and I mean right off, not just a bit, properly off. The Crack Fox said:
oldtimer2 said:
Such events are needed not to keep motor racing alive but to help manufacturers sell their cars..
And this is exactly why Formula E is such a flop, and the prospect of "sustainable" Tesla racing is (rightly) getting such a rough time here on PH. Motorsport enthusiasts are not interested in economy, and economy is the main USP of an EV. People who want economy don't go to racetracks, they go to garden centres, and the supermarket, and treat cars as appliances, they just want the cheapest thing from A to B. Nissan leafs, Teslas, whatever, I am sure they're sensible transport for someone, but "sustainable" and "motorsport" just do not go together. This article is nonsense.I'm probably not making many friends by saying this, but the quantity and quality of features on PH lately has properly gone down the bog. Supercar spotting, links to Petrolicious content, nonsense like this feature, etc - it seems I'm only here for Breadvan's BL addiction, spoon chat and Shed's ramblings. Eeeeh, I remember when all this were pixels as far as the eye can see, now it's PCP this, EV that...
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