Are LR Velars selling?
Discussion
J4CKO said:
Ares said:
covmutley said:
Ares said:
J4CKO said:
"Poverty spec" on a 45 grand car ?
What doesnt it have other than stuff to make it look more expensive, I expect it has everything most could reasonably need ?
Yes, but poverty spec isn't poverty really, is it? What doesnt it have other than stuff to make it look more expensive, I expect it has everything most could reasonably need ?
I would consider a disco sport with the 2l engine however.
The lowest spec 4 cyl diesel engined one does sixty in 8.4 seconds, more than adequate even if it perhaps isnt super smooth, but it does the job, pay more and you get faster and smoother, it still manages to perform as well as an 80s hot hatch, most of the time you arent accelerating, and if you are you arent accelerating flat out, or most normal folk arent.
Its is all very well contrived to get you spending more, those 18 inch wheels dont do the rest justice, at least looks wise.
Jag_NE said:
Reffro said:
Without giving any specifics, Velar has outsold the Discovery, Range Rover and Range Rover Sport in the last 3 months.
out of interest, are net sales up overall? presuming FFRR and RRS and more lucrative for LR, if the Velar is cannibalising sales it may not be a great thing. Given that most RR's are bought as lifestyle pieces I could envisage many buyers picking the Velar versus the RR's solely on looks. Id be interested to know how the new disco is selling as I think it looks awful and has moved into a weird space where I think it will appeal to more of a niche market. Autocar had a good story from JLR's head of sales saying they initially weren't translating interest into orders (ie too expensive), but they tweaked the pricing/deals and that opened the floodgates
cerb4.5lee said:
I've always thought that a premium car should have a premium engine, but apart from a lack of smoothness I think you can get away with a low powered/slightly rough engine in a SUV...because it's a slow and steady type of car.
Welcome to the 21st century where a product is premium because you are told it is. The consumer no longer has any ability to tell premium from rough crap without a label to tell them. 
Oh, and you can’t finance petrol at 5% over so tiny diesels have to be fitted to allow consumers to have a premium product without premium running costs.
DonkeyApple said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I've always thought that a premium car should have a premium engine, but apart from a lack of smoothness I think you can get away with a low powered/slightly rough engine in a SUV...because it's a slow and steady type of car.
Welcome to the 21st century where a product is premium because you are told it is. The consumer no longer has any ability to tell premium from rough crap without a label to tell them. Oh, and you can’t finance petrol at 5% over so tiny diesels have to be fitted to allow consumers to have a premium product without premium running costs.
t.Sit in a Velar. Tell me why it is anything other than premium.
Then sit in a Discovery and compare.
Then sit in a Ford Kuga and compare
And when 2l Diesels have the same performance as hot hatches 10yrs ago and still get 40mpg, why would most want anything different?
Can't help feeling JLR have jumped the shark. The Velar is a munter by any standards. I've yet to see any around in Surrey, although the F-Pace (bloody stupid name!) is relatively common, and even a Bentley Bentayga has been spotted in these parts...
'Smart' electric door handles?! WTF for... just another thing to go wrong! And if an electrical malfunction traps people inside the car... the consequences don't bear thinking about.
I've got two almost identical cars, one of which has an electric tailgate. Its smaller-engined brother doesn't. Guess what, the electric tailgate has been a constant source of electrical niggles - opening itself uncommanded, sometimes refusing to open at all, and the tailgate-opening motor doesn't lift it any more - but it's got no gas struts, so the bloody thing won't stay open unless propped. The non-electric tailgate on the other car is fine (apart from its gas struts being knackered)...
...why do car manufacturers feel the need to load cars up with a load of totally unnecessary crap that's just more to go wrong?
As for pricing - just who T.F. can afford to blow £45k on a base-spec 4-pot diesel family wagon?! And, more to the point, who would, given that a Porsche Macan S is only very slightly more money?!
'Smart' electric door handles?! WTF for... just another thing to go wrong! And if an electrical malfunction traps people inside the car... the consequences don't bear thinking about.
I've got two almost identical cars, one of which has an electric tailgate. Its smaller-engined brother doesn't. Guess what, the electric tailgate has been a constant source of electrical niggles - opening itself uncommanded, sometimes refusing to open at all, and the tailgate-opening motor doesn't lift it any more - but it's got no gas struts, so the bloody thing won't stay open unless propped. The non-electric tailgate on the other car is fine (apart from its gas struts being knackered)...
...why do car manufacturers feel the need to load cars up with a load of totally unnecessary crap that's just more to go wrong?
As for pricing - just who T.F. can afford to blow £45k on a base-spec 4-pot diesel family wagon?! And, more to the point, who would, given that a Porsche Macan S is only very slightly more money?!
595Heaven said:
MrGTI6 said:
Just wondering, how do you open the door if the battery is dead?
From the handbook: Emergency door unlock: If the smart key and keyless entry fail to open the vehicle, insert the key blade into the lock barrel behind the driver's door handle. To access the lock barrel, push on the front end of the handle, which presents the rear of the handle. Pull the handle out to the deployed position to give access to the lock barrel.
The key blade is stored in the remote key
Sounds like a right pain in the arse and a solution to a problem that never existed!
RoverP6B said:
Can't help feeling JLR have jumped the shark. The Velar is a munter by any standards. I've yet to see any around in Surrey, although the F-Pace (bloody stupid name!) is relatively common, and even a Bentley Bentayga has been spotted in these parts...
'Smart' electric door handles?! WTF for... just another thing to go wrong! And if an electrical malfunction traps people inside the car... the consequences don't bear thinking about.
I've got two almost identical cars, one of which has an electric tailgate. Its smaller-engined brother doesn't. Guess what, the electric tailgate has been a constant source of electrical niggles - opening itself uncommanded, sometimes refusing to open at all, and the tailgate-opening motor doesn't lift it any more - but it's got no gas struts, so the bloody thing won't stay open unless propped. The non-electric tailgate on the other car is fine (apart from its gas struts being knackered)...
...why do car manufacturers feel the need to load cars up with a load of totally unnecessary crap that's just more to go wrong?
As for pricing - just who T.F. can afford to blow £45k on a base-spec 4-pot diesel family wagon?! And, more to the point, who would, given that a Porsche Macan S is only very slightly more money?!
You are the very definition of misery.'Smart' electric door handles?! WTF for... just another thing to go wrong! And if an electrical malfunction traps people inside the car... the consequences don't bear thinking about.
I've got two almost identical cars, one of which has an electric tailgate. Its smaller-engined brother doesn't. Guess what, the electric tailgate has been a constant source of electrical niggles - opening itself uncommanded, sometimes refusing to open at all, and the tailgate-opening motor doesn't lift it any more - but it's got no gas struts, so the bloody thing won't stay open unless propped. The non-electric tailgate on the other car is fine (apart from its gas struts being knackered)...
...why do car manufacturers feel the need to load cars up with a load of totally unnecessary crap that's just more to go wrong?
As for pricing - just who T.F. can afford to blow £45k on a base-spec 4-pot diesel family wagon?! And, more to the point, who would, given that a Porsche Macan S is only very slightly more money?!
unpc said:
Shed loads of them where I live in Essex
Funny, I too live in Essex and have seen a grand total of one and that was at the nearest Station. I find it a bit strange given there's not more of them about given that there's 4 RRS's within 20 houses of my placeFWIW, I like them but (IMO) they need to be a darker colour
I took one out and the thing that stopped me dead in my tracks from buying one was the cluster f*** that they call progress; the awful touchscreen abomination.
I just could not even come close to living with it on a daily basis. It is the epitome of form over function and as the sooner the better the health and safety brigade realise it's way, way worse than texting/being on the phone non-hands free, the better.
The whole I want to move my seat so have to go through 4 menus is a joke.
Rant over.
Looks nice from the outside though but the thought of a Land Rover product relying (more than it does now) on a reliable electrical system is scary in itself.
I just could not even come close to living with it on a daily basis. It is the epitome of form over function and as the sooner the better the health and safety brigade realise it's way, way worse than texting/being on the phone non-hands free, the better.
The whole I want to move my seat so have to go through 4 menus is a joke.
Rant over.
Looks nice from the outside though but the thought of a Land Rover product relying (more than it does now) on a reliable electrical system is scary in itself.
Reffro said:
Without giving any specifics, Velar has outsold the Discovery, Range Rover and Range Rover Sport in the last 3 months.
https://b.jcms-api.com/download/2b8cf07f-068b-4551...Velar is selling well in the US I believe.
Ares said:
Sit in a Velar. Tell me why it is anything other than premium.
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What Car? wasn't so convinced ....
" Although all the areas you regularly touch feel great, there’s scratchy plastic on the bottom of the door trims, around the door openings, on the front seatbacks and the sides of the centre console. That might be acceptable on a £20,000 hatchback, it’s not on an SUV that can cost north of £80,000 "
RoverP6B said:
As for pricing - just who T.F. can afford to blow £45k on a base-spec 4-pot diesel family wagon?
Relatively few. But that doesn’t matter. 90% will be bought on finance of some kind (like all cars in the UK), presumably on minuscule mileage 4 year deals, which will bring the monthlies within range of a large proportion of Middle England.RoverP6B said:
Can't help feeling JLR have jumped the shark. The Velar is a munter by any standards.
It really isn’t.RoverP6B said:
'Smart' electric door handles?! WTF for... just another thing to go wrong! And if an electrical malfunction traps people inside the car... the consequences don't bear thinking about
Not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion but it is wrong, the door handles are essentially mechanical and only use the motor to expose the handles on the outside. An electrical malfunction won’t make any difference to someone exiting the car.RoverP6B said:
I've got two almost identical cars, one of which has an electric tailgate. Its smaller-engined brother doesn't. Guess what, the electric tailgate has been a constant source of electrical niggles - opening itself uncommanded, sometimes refusing to open at all, and the tailgate-opening motor doesn't lift it any more - but it's got no gas struts, so the bloody thing won't stay open unless propped. The non-electric tailgate on the other car is fine (apart from its gas struts being knackered)...
So it’s OK apart from being broken? Righto 
NickCQ said:
hyphen said:
Really? A Velar base spec is without Leather. I imagine it would be an essential upgrade in that case, as will be unattractive come resale time.
Does anyone just buy the car that they want these days, or is it always a game of guessing what the next buyer wants? 
As the designated "car guy" in my family, he came to me for a bit of advice about 10 years ago. He had his eye on a Honda FR-V, as he had young children, and fancied an MPV that didn't look or drive too much like a bus.Fair enough, says I - just make sure it's a diesel, with alloys, and sat nav, otherwise it will be worth nothing when you come to sell it.
What does he do? Goes out and buys a low-spec petrol, with plastic wheel trims, and no sat nav.
He was gutted when the car was worth 50p about 6 years later. Oh, how I laughed!
PS: It gets worse... The car he traded in for the FR-V was a MkI Citroen C5. I wish I was making this up.
MorganP104 said:
Fair enough, says I - just make sure it's a diesel, with alloys, and sat nav, otherwise it will be worth nothing when you come to sell it.
What does he do? Goes out and buys a low-spec petrol, with plastic wheel trims, and no sat nav.
He was gutted when the car was worth 50p about 6 years later. Oh, how I laughed!
Oh dear, not the best outcome for him then!What does he do? Goes out and buys a low-spec petrol, with plastic wheel trims, and no sat nav.
He was gutted when the car was worth 50p about 6 years later. Oh, how I laughed!
But I reckon some of that won't have made a difference - for example many people driving 6+ year old cars probably use their phone in preference to the built-in sat nav. And the recommendation for diesel is an interesting illustration of how the climate can change - maybe in a few years time that would be a negative rather than a positive.
I think I am lucky in that I don't mind keeping cars for significantly longer (10+ years), so the resale value is not a material part of the buying decision. I assume the value will go to zero and treat any residual as upside to be honest.
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