Shell V-Power unleaded price premium over standard
Discussion
EazyDuz said:
Ok, then its like designing an energy drink, which when taken regularly, will give you a massive caffeine high. But, since different people are/are not affected by caffeine, to play it safe you design an energy drink which has such a minimum amount of caffeine that it affects no one at all.
That boy, is 'Premium' in a nutshell. As it happens I could drink 5 Redbulls and not feel anything, my mate could drink 1 and be off the walls. Now imagine the dangers of that in petrol. As a result, you get a Redbull diluted with 5 gallons of water.
You really have no understanding of how an engine works. If you do have an interest in cars then it would be worth educating yourself.That boy, is 'Premium' in a nutshell. As it happens I could drink 5 Redbulls and not feel anything, my mate could drink 1 and be off the walls. Now imagine the dangers of that in petrol. As a result, you get a Redbull diluted with 5 gallons of water.
Start with the basics of internal combustion engines on Wikipedia then read into octane ratings and knock-resistance properties of fuel. Then once you understand enough of that you can move onto the dynamics of cylinder temperatures and ignition advance.
CarAbuser said:
You really have no understanding of how an engine works. If you do have an interest in cars then it would be worth educating yourself.
Start with the basics of internal combustion engines on Wikipedia then read into octane ratings and knock-resistance properties of fuel. Then once you understand enough of that you can move onto the dynamics of cylinder temperatures and ignition advance.
Redbull doesn't actually give you wings.Start with the basics of internal combustion engines on Wikipedia then read into octane ratings and knock-resistance properties of fuel. Then once you understand enough of that you can move onto the dynamics of cylinder temperatures and ignition advance.
The pricing depends upon whether Shell own the station or simply sell them fuel.
The former will have 'Shell Select' retail outlets, the others will have Londis type arrangements. The former cap their v-power premium, it was always around 8p a litre and then after the product relaunch I think it has been increased, I would guess to 12p based on my local station. The latter retailers charge whatever they think they can get away with.
The former will have 'Shell Select' retail outlets, the others will have Londis type arrangements. The former cap their v-power premium, it was always around 8p a litre and then after the product relaunch I think it has been increased, I would guess to 12p based on my local station. The latter retailers charge whatever they think they can get away with.
CS Garth said:
The pricing depends upon whether Shell own the station or simply sell them fuel.
The former will have 'Shell Select' retail outlets, the others will have Londis type arrangements. The former cap their v-power premium, it was always around 8p a litre and then after the product relaunch I think it has been increased, I would guess to 12p based on my local station. The latter retailers charge whatever they think they can get away with.
ThisThe former will have 'Shell Select' retail outlets, the others will have Londis type arrangements. The former cap their v-power premium, it was always around 8p a litre and then after the product relaunch I think it has been increased, I would guess to 12p based on my local station. The latter retailers charge whatever they think they can get away with.
We had a similar thread about this a while back and we reached the same conclusion.
Limpet said:
I paid 136.9 the other day, a 14p premium. I keep it to one tankful in four now just for the detergents. M140i possibly pulls a fraction harder up top on it, but consumption identical to the cheap stuff, and no perceptible difference in 99% of driving.
You won't feel any real benefit doing that. You need to make sure it is 100% 98ron or higher.
EazyDuz said:
Tldr, Premium charges a premium but you get nothing in return except lies and marketing.
Tldr of tldr: Buy normal petrol.
Are you pretending to be ignorant? Tldr of tldr: Buy normal petrol.
The way many modern cars work is with knock sensors, when you drop from 98ron it retards the timing, thus reducing HP and more often than not also MPG.
I had my 335i rolling roaded with 98ron and 95ron and there was almost a 30hp drop in power.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Struggling with this as well.
Always used vPower but when the local Shell is £1.24 for standard I have a Tesco locally that does Momentum and a Sainsbury's that does super unleaded for £1.14 it's pretty damned difficult to justify.
It's nuts, Momentum99 in my local Tesco today was £1.31, 17p/l increase in five months since this comment was posted Always used vPower but when the local Shell is £1.24 for standard I have a Tesco locally that does Momentum and a Sainsbury's that does super unleaded for £1.14 it's pretty damned difficult to justify.
That is quite a price hike. I only use about 40 litres of fuel a week, but that still equates to me spending £7 per week more on fuel every week that I can't spend on food, clothes etc than I did back in January. The rate the cost of living increases in this country is astounding.
Edited by vsonix on Tuesday 15th May 18:53
gizlaroc said:
EazyDuz said:
Tldr, Premium charges a premium but you get nothing in return except lies and marketing.
Tldr of tldr: Buy normal petrol.
Are you pretending to be ignorant? Tldr of tldr: Buy normal petrol.
The way many modern cars work is with knock sensors, when you drop from 98ron it retards the timing, thus reducing HP and more often than not also MPG.
I had my 335i rolling roaded with 98ron and 95ron and there was almost a 30hp drop in power.
I see people trotting this out on the internet the whole time.
GroundEffect said:
It's all marketing. As you can see in this thread, everyone believes Shell is the best available...with what data? No data, pure marketing over the years.
Clearly, marketing has an effect, but that's not to say there is no difference.
When I had my GT86 mapped, the tuner got it pretty much spot on. On the first couple of runs he said it's running better than 95UL, but nowhere near as well as Sell V-Power - he took an educated guess at Sainsbury's Super - which it was.
Used the existing fuel and refilled with V-Power and pretty much instantly gained 5% (instantly being after about 20 miles).
LordGrover said:
Clearly, marketing has an effect, but that's not to say there is no difference.
When I had my GT86 mapped, the tuner got it pretty much spot on. On the first couple of runs he said it's running better than 95UL, but nowhere near as well as Sell V-Power - he took an educated guess at Sainsbury's Super - which it was.
Used the existing fuel and refilled with V-Power and pretty much instantly gained 5% (instantly being after about 20 miles).
VPower is stupidly expensive at my local Shell, 141.9/litre last I checked and I think it's gone up a little since. 19p/litre markup over 95 RON I believe.
My local Shell recently closed for a refit to be a Budgens, as well as a petrol station.
Upon re-opening, the price was as before, relative to local area. Over the next few weeks, they’ve gradually increased the price, way beyond the (rising) market. They sent me a feedback survey.
I told them they’re taking the piss.
I’ve stopped going there.
£1.439 when I went past earlier today, £1.369 6 miles away. (V-power). I’m all for free markets and supply & demand led pricing, but I refuse to pay for blatant profiteering by a franchise store. Shell owned stations for me from now on, is my rule.
Upon re-opening, the price was as before, relative to local area. Over the next few weeks, they’ve gradually increased the price, way beyond the (rising) market. They sent me a feedback survey.
I told them they’re taking the piss.
I’ve stopped going there.
£1.439 when I went past earlier today, £1.369 6 miles away. (V-power). I’m all for free markets and supply & demand led pricing, but I refuse to pay for blatant profiteering by a franchise store. Shell owned stations for me from now on, is my rule.
Pocked up a car from Gloucester this weekend and had to grab some V Power before the drive home to Leeds. Used the app and went to the nearest one. Big mistake as it wasn’t a Shell owned one.
145.9 a litre! After 6 months of driving an electric car it was somewhat annoying to be paying so much per litre. I’ll stick to my local Shell owned stations for future fill ups.
145.9 a litre! After 6 months of driving an electric car it was somewhat annoying to be paying so much per litre. I’ll stick to my local Shell owned stations for future fill ups.
lbc said:
I paid 133.9/litre today just for normal Shell diesel at my local.
Vpower would have been 148.9
Bought V-Power diesel today in Chester and thought 141.9 was steep! Ordinary stuff was 10p cheaper.Vpower would have been 148.9
It's a Shell Select station, which I understood meant Shell owned it. That may be the case but the person on the till said it's run as a franchise.
Siy said:
Well - this has been an eye opener. I had no idea that Tesco sold 99 Ron petrol... and I certainly wouldn't have trusted it - but it seems everyone here holds it in similar regards as vPower
I only used VPower for my P&J. Am less picky with my daily, but even then, still tend to go vPower if I am nearby.
So - people actually think the Tesco M99 is on a par with (or almost) the Shell equivalent?
The V-Power is better than the others including Tesco Momentum.I only used VPower for my P&J. Am less picky with my daily, but even then, still tend to go vPower if I am nearby.
So - people actually think the Tesco M99 is on a par with (or almost) the Shell equivalent?
But the reality is most people are kidding themselves that they have much to gain unless the vehicle is either a modified turbo-charged/super-charged vehicle or a genuine high end normally aspirated vehicle (Veyron-esque perhaps?).
If a motorcycle revving to 14000rpm+ and 200BHP can run fine on 95RON then your Golf R isn't going to benefit from 98/99 RON.
I have a turbo-charged 2L with 500BHP running on a MoTeC ECU with knock detection. Put BP, Esso or any other normal Super Unleaded in it and the knock detection retards the ignition every time it sees higher boost levels. Tesco 99 is better and occasionally pegs back the timing. V-Power is the best of the lot and usually OK except in Winter, when air density is high if cold and may cause higher pressure in the intake manifold.
The high state of tune shows up the differences between the brands.
With any standard vehicle out of the showroom, it's mostly irrelevant. If it says 95 on the filler cap you're wasting your money putting Super in it.
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