RE: Shed of the Week: Audi TT (Mk1)

RE: Shed of the Week: Audi TT (Mk1)

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J4CKO

41,786 posts

202 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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Quavers said:
Its a low value, modern audi.

Which means money pit.
Mine was but have a couple of mate with them and they have got of lightly, I broke all my own rules and bought a bit of a hound because I liked how it looked.

If anyone is considering one, you really need to be able to do some stuff yourself, I spent a grand over 5 months, some wasnt necessary but most was, would have been a lot worse if I didnt do the work, easily double that.

Do your reasearch, buy with caution, invest in a VAG COM lead and DIY as much as you can and it shouldn't be that painful.



EarlOfHazard

3,607 posts

160 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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WJNB said:
EarlOfHazard said:
My dad has owned his black 225 coupe since 2005. Bought with 70k on the clock.
He's toyed with getting something else, but just enjoys it. I've recently bought a Merc estate to use when back home, and he know uses this instead, meaning the TT has effectively been forgotten hehe
So I'm thinking of taking it on, and getting the wheel refurbed (BBS split rim) at £548, and then there's the centre caps. Plus looking at a remap and exploring inproving the handling. I wouldn't want it lower, so perhap just uprated ARBs.
With regards to reliabilty, it's been pretty good.
It's on 125k at the moment and in that time it's had:
A couple of broken rear springs
Intrument cluster needed repair (although this will need doing again as the LCD screen is playing up this time)
A part broke on the clutch pedal about 8 years ago - wasn't expensive to replace. Just a pain as car had to be collected.
New clutch this year (not cheap!)
Temperature sensor (causing EML to come on)
Oh and a heated seat has stopped working

The rest is just standard servicing (performed annually at MOT time); tyres; and brakes

Not bad at all.
What a dreadful reflection on what is supposed to be a premium brand car.
I've been issued with & chosen numerous blue collar brand cars over 40 years many doing up to 150k miles & none I repeat none ever had that many quality/reliability issues. Sure a Ford Granada & a Ford Sierra were bags of nails at 70k miles but nothing was broken. The most expensive repair ever was a new turbo for a Vauxhall Vectra diesel. A Toyota Carina E (sneer by all means) went back after 150k miles going as well as it was when new, the bodywork still looking pristine & everything working.
Somebody somewhere is taking the micky & making fools of the badge snobs.
Many thing it's actually funny that 50k Porsche Boxsters might have technical unreliable problems, but that's Ok isn't it because its a Porsche.
With my own money I have owned Mazda MX-5's & Honda S2000's both shame the toffy-nosed brands.
Wow, what an outburst!! What's wrong, did you catch your missus in bed with your (Audi driving) mate last night? laugh

Like Jacko said below, you're comparing white goods cars (like the Vectra and Carina) to a performance petrol turbo'd 4x4 coupe. Why not compare it to a Vauxhall Calibra turbo? The 4wd systems would bork and a new transfer box was needed. And don't even mention the atrocious build quality- they were crap!!

The TT was bought as my father wanted one ever since he saw the concept version, and as he owned various Audis since 1990, he liked the brand and knew it would be well built.
Back in 1990, Audi was not a badge to be particularly snobby about.



CDP

7,470 posts

256 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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EarlOfHazard said:
WJNB said:
EarlOfHazard said:
My dad has owned his black 225 coupe since 2005. Bought with 70k on the clock.
He's toyed with getting something else, but just enjoys it. I've recently bought a Merc estate to use when back home, and he know uses this instead, meaning the TT has effectively been forgotten hehe
So I'm thinking of taking it on, and getting the wheel refurbed (BBS split rim) at £548, and then there's the centre caps. Plus looking at a remap and exploring inproving the handling. I wouldn't want it lower, so perhap just uprated ARBs.
With regards to reliabilty, it's been pretty good.
It's on 125k at the moment and in that time it's had:
A couple of broken rear springs
Intrument cluster needed repair (although this will need doing again as the LCD screen is playing up this time)
A part broke on the clutch pedal about 8 years ago - wasn't expensive to replace. Just a pain as car had to be collected.
New clutch this year (not cheap!)
Temperature sensor (causing EML to come on)
Oh and a heated seat has stopped working

The rest is just standard servicing (performed annually at MOT time); tyres; and brakes

Not bad at all.
What a dreadful reflection on what is supposed to be a premium brand car.
I've been issued with & chosen numerous blue collar brand cars over 40 years many doing up to 150k miles & none I repeat none ever had that many quality/reliability issues. Sure a Ford Granada & a Ford Sierra were bags of nails at 70k miles but nothing was broken. The most expensive repair ever was a new turbo for a Vauxhall Vectra diesel. A Toyota Carina E (sneer by all means) went back after 150k miles going as well as it was when new, the bodywork still looking pristine & everything working.
Somebody somewhere is taking the micky & making fools of the badge snobs.
Many thing it's actually funny that 50k Porsche Boxsters might have technical unreliable problems, but that's Ok isn't it because its a Porsche.
With my own money I have owned Mazda MX-5's & Honda S2000's both shame the toffy-nosed brands.
Wow, what an outburst!! What's wrong, did you catch your missus in bed with your (Audi driving) mate last night? laugh

Like Jacko said below, you're comparing white goods cars (like the Vectra and Carina) to a performance petrol turbo'd 4x4 coupe. Why not compare it to a Vauxhall Calibra turbo? The 4wd systems would bork and a new transfer box was needed. And don't even mention the atrocious build quality- they were crap!!

The TT was bought as my father wanted one ever since he saw the concept version, and as he owned various Audis since 1990, he liked the brand and knew it would be well built.
Back in 1990, Audi was not a badge to be particularly snobby about.
Having owned a Toyota MR2 I'd hardly call that a tail of woe. By that mileage the MR2 had very expensive faults with engine, gearbox, clutch, steering, suspension, brakes, alternator...

In fact it's not a bad fault list. The heated seat is probably a connect or fuse. High power, high grip cars tend to go through clutches - it's the weak point so 125K is pretty good.

Springs and dampers wear out. If you want the car to handle and ride at it's best they probably need replacing by now anyhow. Not only that but there's no mention of how it's used. The roads round here can rip cars to pieces (4 alloy wheels in one year!) while somebody with motorway drives hardly touches them.

The clutch pedal is a known fault but can be fixed quickly with a welder.

Tony427

2,873 posts

235 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.






MC Bodge

21,865 posts

177 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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Tony427 said:
A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.





He should have used it more...

A new loom? Why? Because they couldn't think of any better idea?

CDP

7,470 posts

256 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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Tony427 said:
A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.





That's a shame. Has he tried an auto electrician?



Test driver

348 posts

126 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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The same platform is found on the r32 and s3, with a few upgrades they can be great cars and fun to drive. At this age a set of polybushes and suspension refresh with lowering springs is a no brainer, revo remap and Haldex upgrade and its totally transformed.

My preference would be the 3.2 v6 over the 4pot turbo, plenty of reasonably priced aftermarket parts readily availabe.

How many Peugeot’s/Vauxhall’s/Renaults etc of similar vintage are still on the road by comparison?

droopsnoot

12,079 posts

244 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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EarlOfHazard said:
With regards to reliabilty, it's been pretty good.
It's on 125k at the moment and in that time it's had:
A couple of broken rear springs
Intrument cluster needed repair (although this will need doing again as the LCD screen is playing up this time)
A part broke on the clutch pedal about 8 years ago - wasn't expensive to replace. Just a pain as car had to be collected.
New clutch this year (not cheap!)
Temperature sensor (causing EML to come on)
Oh and a heated seat has stopped working

The rest is just standard servicing (performed annually at MOT time); tyres; and brakes

Not bad at all.
That's a similar list to mine, though I've probably done four or five rear springs back when I used to drive a route that including speed bumps. The clutch pedal is a known fault (unless you're Audi, in which case every one is a surprise, but the dealers keep them in stock) and it's down to a poor design. My instrument panel was done for free after the "Watchdog" thing. I've done a clutch master cylinder just now, but not the clutch. I've done a couple of thermostats, too, and my drivers seat stopped heating up during "the beast from the east" earlier this year. That's between 28k when I bought it, and 167k.

CDP

7,470 posts

256 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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Test driver said:
The same platform is found on the r32 and s3, with a few upgrades they can be great cars and fun to drive. At this age a set of polybushes and suspension refresh with lowering springs is a no brainer, revo remap and Haldex upgrade and its totally transformed.

My preference would be the 3.2 v6 over the 4pot turbo, plenty of reasonably priced aftermarket parts readily availabe.

How many Peugeot’s/Vauxhall’s/Renaults etc of similar vintage are still on the road by comparison?
I'd keep the same ride height on a road car, the bushes definitely same as springs and dampers would probably be pretty worn.

I think the Peugeots, Vauxhalls and Renaults if looked after can be pretty durable - it's just their significantly lower value means people stop spending on them a lot earlier. I'd expect there are a lot of neglected TTs by now though as people are scrimping on running costs just as they need worn out bits replacing.


EarlOfHazard

3,607 posts

160 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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droopsnoot said:
EarlOfHazard said:
With regards to reliabilty, it's been pretty good.
It's on 125k at the moment and in that time it's had:
A couple of broken rear springs
Intrument cluster needed repair (although this will need doing again as the LCD screen is playing up this time)
A part broke on the clutch pedal about 8 years ago - wasn't expensive to replace. Just a pain as car had to be collected.
New clutch this year (not cheap!)
Temperature sensor (causing EML to come on)
Oh and a heated seat has stopped working

The rest is just standard servicing (performed annually at MOT time); tyres; and brakes

Not bad at all.
That's a similar list to mine, though I've probably done four or five rear springs back when I used to drive a route that including speed bumps. The clutch pedal is a known fault (unless you're Audi, in which case every one is a surprise, but the dealers keep them in stock) and it's down to a poor design. My instrument panel was done for free after the "Watchdog" thing. I've done a clutch master cylinder just now, but not the clutch. I've done a couple of thermostats, too, and my drivers seat stopped heating up during "the beast from the east" earlier this year. That's between 28k when I bought it, and 167k.
The springs going are a result of the bad roads near us, and it's 99% a town car. I ocassionally run it up to London - it's fine on the motorway.
Not quite a Mercedes s211, but it's good enough. And ok the TT isn't the best driver's car; but it's small and pokey, so perfect for town; good looking; and quite practical if need be when the back seats are folded down. And it can carry 4 people in an absolute emergency.
So the TT is staying in the fleet. But I'm in the look out for a Clio 197 since going in one at the weekend - it was a bloody riot!!

mwstewart

7,692 posts

190 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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Tony427 said:
A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.





The airbag loom is relatively simple to check, in fact it's one of the simpler distributed systems in the car. Somebody competent could find the fault without too much difficulty.

EarlOfHazard

3,607 posts

160 months

Sunday 29th July 2018
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mwstewart said:
Tony427 said:
A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.





The airbag loom is relatively simple to check, in fact it's one of the simpler distributed systems in the car. Somebody competent could find the fault without too much difficulty.
Any Fiesta updates? biggrin

1781cc

578 posts

96 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Tony427 said:
A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.
Get him to join this group on facebook: "AUDI TTMK1 F&C SALES, PARTS AND WANTS"

There are loads of parts breakers solely for the TT on there, my guess is it needs a replacement airbag ECU from above the gearbox tunnel, should be a £20 fix

Blackpuddin

16,694 posts

207 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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No, no, tell him to put it on ebay at a giveaway price and give us the link here.

PoopahScoopah

249 posts

127 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Test driver said:
How many Peugeot’s/Vauxhall’s/Renaults etc of similar vintage are still on the road by comparison?
Peugeots and Renaults, quite a lot!

PoopahScoopah

249 posts

127 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Test driver said:
My preference would be the 3.2 v6 over the 4pot turbo, plenty of reasonably priced aftermarket parts readily availabe.
I've been toying with the idea of getting a TT for a while. Bit of a strange choice but I'm trying to decide between a TT and a Megane R26 F1 230. Anyhoo, my heart says the 3.2 for various reasons, and I suspect that when these do finally start going up in value and becoming more collectable the 3.2s will be more sought after. But........things like the cost of getting the timing chains done, and (don;t shoot me!) fuel consumption put me off. Now before anyone jumps done my throat about why on earth I should be concerned by fuel consumption I should point out that my current and previous cars (which were/are daily drivers) average low 20s. But I've heard that the 3.2 VR6s get comically bad MPG. It's not so much that I can't live with or afford a thirsty car, I just don't like it when it seems unnecessarily thirsty for what it is.

Heart says 3.2. Head says the 225. No idea which would be a safer bet in truth.

meehaja

607 posts

110 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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The airbag light is a common problem... it's the switch. A new switch will probably sort it.

1781cc

578 posts

96 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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PoopahScoopah said:
I've been toying with the idea of getting a TT for a while. Bit of a strange choice but I'm trying to decide between a TT and a Megane R26 F1 230. Anyhoo, my heart says the 3.2 for various reasons, and I suspect that when these do finally start going up in value and becoming more collectable the 3.2s will be more sought after. But........things like the cost of getting the timing chains done, and (don;t shoot me!) fuel consumption put me off. Now before anyone jumps done my throat about why on earth I should be concerned by fuel consumption I should point out that my current and previous cars (which were/are daily drivers) average low 20s. But I've heard that the 3.2 VR6s get comically bad MPG. It's not so much that I can't live with or afford a thirsty car, I just don't like it when it seems unnecessarily thirsty for what it is.

Heart says 3.2. Head says the 225. No idea which would be a safer bet in truth.
The one without the DSG mecatronic issues... the 225

CrippsCorner

2,851 posts

183 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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Tony427 said:
A friend of mine has a 54 plate Audi TT 3.2 Convertible.

One fastidious owner, himself, from new, full service history and 15,000, yes thats fifteen thousand miles, from new.

Always garaged, full Audi service history, and it's now toast, or so it seems.

The airbag light won't go off. There's nothing wrong with the airbags its just the light, and hence no MOT possible.

It's been to independent Audi specialists who cannot fix it. They have spent days trying to sort it. They didn't even charge for their time as they couldnt fix the problem.

It's been to Audi themselves who told him the only answer is a new loom at £3500.

I doubt that the car is worth that much, so its a scrappy car. At 15,000 miles.

Such a shame.

I think he now plans to get buried in it.

Cheers,

Tony.





Take the bulb out. Or if it's an LED, put some black tape over it. I'm serious, I've never needed to do this myself, but I know people that have...

Alternatively can't it just be programmed out? Either by the garage or himself. I ordered a ODB fault reader thing off eBay for £30 for my MINI as changing the seats meant the airbag light was triggered. 5 minutes later and I'd 'cleared' the fault smile

Tony427

2,873 posts

235 months

Monday 30th July 2018
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CrippsCorner said:
Take the bulb out. Or if it's an LED, put some black tape over it. I'm serious, I've never needed to do this myself, but I know people that have...

Alternatively can't it just be programmed out? Either by the garage or himself. I ordered a ODB fault reader thing off eBay for £30 for my MINI as changing the seats meant the airbag light was triggered. 5 minutes later and I'd 'cleared' the fault smile
Audi said it was a fault within the loom. Local auto electrician had a go but couldn't fix it, an Audi independent specialist highly recommended by the Audi Forums couldn't fix it and it now fails to even respond to the VAG software fault code clearing process whereas once upon a time the fault light would be missing for a couple of start cycles once the VAG software had done its stuff.

I have suggested the jury rigging of isolating the airbag light and introducing a timed 12v source to emulate the standard dashboard lighting procedure but he wants the car to be perfect and such a" bodge" goes against his OCD tendencies.

I tend to agree that the car just hasn't been used enough, but it was his baby and he wanted to keep it as new.

Cheers,

Tony