RE: All-new 2019 BMW 3 Series revealed

RE: All-new 2019 BMW 3 Series revealed

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E65Ross

35,227 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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ToothbrushMan said:
i struggle with knowing whats what now that we have m140i ( 40 suggests 4 litres and 1 is clearly a 1 series but 140? whats the correllation to engine size or output? same for the M240i and M340i - is the 40i telling us its always a 3 litre with that demonination? baffling.

320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....

wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
It's related to power, always has been. Always has been different for turbocharged cars.

cue in the 1980s a 745i was a 3.3 litre. Unless you feel they're doing something different now compared to over the years? It's only different now in the sense all of the engines are turbocharged.

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

226 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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jamoor said:
I can't be thinking that the whole thing looks remarkably old fashioned.
Does it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
ParkingHeads. Becausecarsthatpark'emselvesmatter.com

I couldn't give a funk about autonomous driving flam on cars. At a personal level struggling to see the necessity other than losing any culpability a human being might have behind the steering wheel. On a site dedicated to driving enthusiasts I'm surprised autonomous feature on cars even registers as a blip.

:shakeshead: You've change Pistonheads... you've changed.


Edited by FWDRacer on Tuesday 2nd October 13:11

Ares

11,000 posts

122 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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ToothbrushMan said:
i struggle with knowing whats what now that we have m140i ( 40 suggests 4 litres and 1 is clearly a 1 series but 140? whats the correllation to engine size or output? same for the M240i and M340i - is the 40i telling us its always a 3 litre with that demonination? baffling.

320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....

wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
That was true in the 1990s. It's time to move on.

CrippsCorner

2,875 posts

183 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Jesus, that front end is hideous. The rear... is just boring, but looks okay from the side. Not really impressed, but also very much not a car for me!

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Ares said:
To me, that looked old-fashioned as soon as it was launched.
Me too, which is why it's my favourite car in this class. smile

VTECMFR

214 posts

87 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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I'm by no means a BMW fan, but I actually like the lines on this a lot, and it's nice to see a BMW that isn't an SUV bulbous piece of crap. Bring on the Touring version.

Agreed with a previous poster though, if I was looking at a saloon, it would be the Giulia, much prettier and more interesting car, that won't disappear in the works car park with all the other BMWs.

Shiv_P

2,796 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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wab172uk said:
So as per usual, the next gen car is bigger than the car it replaces. ie, the new 3 Series will be huge. Probably getting on for a 5 series size a few Generations ago.

The 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?

No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.

For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Why would they implement a manual 340i x drive. It would mean devising a whole new manual gearbox for 1 model to handle AWD and would probably sell less than 100 in the country

kars

175 posts

171 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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E65Ross said:
People mentioning the size....Have you got length, width and height dimensions? Couldn't see them in the article? I'm viewing on a laptop screen and the car looks absolutely tiny, although I assume in real life it'll be a bit bigger.

If one finds a 3 series too big, is a 1 or 2 series not sufficient?
It's bigger then E39 5 series in every dimensions (*except lenght, but not buy much)

New G20 / E39 sedan

Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm

btw e30 vs f31



Alucidnation

16,810 posts

172 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Don't mind the look of this but in the flesh might be different.



Anyway, why was the other posters thread locked?

Was PH feeling a bit hurt that someone else beat them to it?

Astonishing.


wab172uk

2,005 posts

229 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Shiv_P said:
wab172uk said:
So as per usual, the next gen car is bigger than the car it replaces. ie, the new 3 Series will be huge. Probably getting on for a 5 series size a few Generations ago.

The 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?

No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.

For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Why would they implement a manual 340i x drive. It would mean devising a whole new manual gearbox for 1 model to handle AWD and would probably sell less than 100 in the country
Isn't that quite sad though? Not many people can be bothered to change gear themselves.

E65Ross

35,227 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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kars said:
E65Ross said:
People mentioning the size....Have you got length, width and height dimensions? Couldn't see them in the article? I'm viewing on a laptop screen and the car looks absolutely tiny, although I assume in real life it'll be a bit bigger.

If one finds a 3 series too big, is a 1 or 2 series not sufficient?
It's bigger then E39 5 series in every dimensions (*except lenght, but not buy much)

New G20 / E39

Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm

btw e30 vs f31

The E39 was released in 1995, it's 23 years old. Cars have become a lot safer, they have more tech, they're more power, more efficient, it's no surprise they're bigger. Guess what? The E39 was larger and heavier than its predecessors.

Plus, they make more models now, if the 3 series is too big, then you can have a 1 or a 2 series.

Funny isn't it, all the rose-tinted spectacled-wearing PHer says "E39 was the perfect size for a saloon car, new ones are too big" and BMW release another car with almost identical dimensions and now this car is too big rofl

They have a model under the 3, unlike in yesteryear, so it doesn't matter smile

kars

175 posts

171 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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wab172uk said:
Isn't that quite sad though? Not many people can be bothered to change gear themselves.
I bet in the future there will not be many people bothered to drive a car themselves, #autopilot on

kambites

67,746 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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E65Ross said:
They have a model under the 3, unlike in yesteryear, so it doesn't matter smile
I broadly agree, although the lack of an estate (unless you count the 2AT) or four-door saloon version of the 1/2-series will inevitably put some people off it. I wonder if we'll get one in the next generation.

aeropilot

35,057 posts

229 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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Ninja59 said:
No 335D? Sad times, or I suppose these days "340D".

It is interesting that BMW appear to be restricting the twin turbo variant of the B57 to a very small amount of vehicles, unless like with the 5 series BMW UK are artificially not bringing it over to the UK, due to lack of interest and sales (540D and M550D), which if memory serves will only leave the 740D, 840D and some of the 40D X range with the twin turbo B57 available on UK shores. Disappointing.
Same with the new G05 X5, with only 30d and M50d six-pot diesels on offer, no 40d option (as yet)

All to do with the dieselgate fallout, plus the WLTP emissions tests that have to include ever variation of options.

As with these new packs and very few individual options seen on this new 3er, as a result of the stupid new WLTP tests, whereby you'll likely have to pay over the odds to get an option you want as you'll have to buy a bleedin pack that has loads of stuff you may not want.
Bad in a nickable BMW with comfort access likely to be lumped in with other stuff you want - grrrrrrr mad

Which is why I was considering a Cayenne next instead of another X5, until Porsche announced no more diesels - again grrrrrrrrr mad

Might just have to make my current X5 last another 10 years + now, as chances of being able to buy another new car in a spec I actually want/need is now going to be remote.

Mr-B

3,799 posts

196 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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kars said:
It's bigger then E39 5 series in every dimensions (*except lenght, but not buy much)

New G20 / E39 sedan

Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm

btw e30 vs f31

Not unique to BMW by an stretch but every new car is bigger/bigger/bigger, FFS! It's one of my bugbears, roads are not getting any wider, parking spaces are not getting any wider and every new car is wider. No wonder people moan about having their car dinged in a supermarket car park, this new 3 series has a bigger footprint than the original Range Rover!

Ares

11,000 posts

122 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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wab172uk said:
Shiv_P said:
wab172uk said:
So as per usual, the next gen car is bigger than the car it replaces. ie, the new 3 Series will be huge. Probably getting on for a 5 series size a few Generations ago.

The 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?

No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.

For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Why would they implement a manual 340i x drive. It would mean devising a whole new manual gearbox for 1 model to handle AWD and would probably sell less than 100 in the country
Isn't that quite sad though? Not many people can be bothered to change gear themselves.
No. But it is sad that you see it is a universally derisory issue of 'not being bothered'.

Do you still hand-crank to start your car? Or can you not be bothered to that?
Do you still have a manual choke? Or have you got one without as you can't be bothered to pull a little lever?

sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,533 posts

220 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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wab172uk said:
Isn't that quite sad though? Not many people can be bothered to change gear themselves.
It's sad in the same way it's sad that most people don't travel by horse drawn carriages or steam trains anymore.

Nothing stays the same forever and progress, whether you or I agree with it or not, is inevitable. As someone else said, by the time the toddlers of today are adults, it's doubtful they'll even care about driving themselves, much less what transmission is being used to transport them.

Deep Thought

36,014 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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kambites said:
E65Ross said:
They have a model under the 3, unlike in yesteryear, so it doesn't matter smile
I broadly agree, although the lack of an estate (unless you count the 2AT) or four-door saloon version of the 1/2-series will inevitably put some people off it. I wonder if we'll get one in the next generation.
Was thinking similar. Mercedes an Audi now how small saloon variants of their A and A3 hatchbacks. Actually i must look at the size of the new A class saloon compared to the 190E Mercedes....

I think in a generations time the A A3 and 1/2 series will be where the C A4 and 3 series were.

jamoor

14,506 posts

217 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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FWDRacer said:
jamoor said:
I can't be thinking that the whole thing looks remarkably old fashioned.
Does it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
ParkingHeads. Becausecarsthatpark'emselvesmatter.com

I couldn't give a funk about autonomous driving flam on cars. At a personal level struggling to see the necessity other than losing any culpability a human being might have behind the steering wheel. On a site dedicated to driving enthusiasts I'm surprised autonomous feature on cars even registers as a blip.

:shakeshead: You've change Pistonheads... you've changed.


Edited by FWDRacer on Tuesday 2nd October 13:11
I'd rather have it so I can turn it off when I want to drive.

I see no pleasure derived from going around the M25 on a dark February evening, I'd rather the car do that whilst keeping an eye on obstacles and not going beyond the speed limit.

This is a 3 series after all and not an Aerial Atom.

Ninja59

3,691 posts

114 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2018
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aeropilot said:
Same with the new G05 X5, with only 30d and M50d six-pot diesels on offer, no 40d option (as yet)

All to do with the dieselgate fallout, plus the WLTP emissions tests that have to include ever variation of options.

As with these new packs and very few individual options seen on this new 3er, as a result of the stupid new WLTP tests, whereby you'll likely have to pay over the odds to get an option you want as you'll have to buy a bleedin pack that has loads of stuff you may not want.
Bad in a nickable BMW with comfort access likely to be lumped in with other stuff you want - grrrrrrr mad

Which is why I was considering a Cayenne next instead of another X5, until Porsche announced no more diesels - again grrrrrrrrr mad

Might just have to make my current X5 last another 10 years + now, as chances of being able to buy another new car in a spec I actually want/need is now going to be remote.
It is not all WLTP though, BMW UK have genuinely blocked some models from coming over here like the 540D, I doubt it would make any difference regarding testing whether it was LHD or RHD?

I do like you find it frustrating though that we are getting less choice of engines, I do not want a single turbo diesel, nor do I necessarily want a quad turbo one. I love my 640D for the twin turbo setup as it is just "right".

I agree over the packs thing as well like you say so many things are now grouped in packs you end up with stuff you have no interest in or has known issues for no real reason.