RE: All-new 2019 BMW 3 Series revealed
Discussion
ToothbrushMan said:
i struggle with knowing whats what now that we have m140i ( 40 suggests 4 litres and 1 is clearly a 1 series but 140? whats the correllation to engine size or output? same for the M240i and M340i - is the 40i telling us its always a 3 litre with that demonination? baffling.
320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....
wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
It's related to power, always has been. Always has been different for turbocharged cars.320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....
wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
cue in the 1980s a 745i was a 3.3 litre. Unless you feel they're doing something different now compared to over the years? It's only different now in the sense all of the engines are turbocharged.
jamoor said:
I can't be thinking that the whole thing looks remarkably old fashioned.
Does it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
ParkingHeads. Becausecarsthatpark'emselvesmatter.comDoes it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
I couldn't give a funk about autonomous driving flam on cars. At a personal level struggling to see the necessity other than losing any culpability a human being might have behind the steering wheel. On a site dedicated to driving enthusiasts I'm surprised autonomous feature on cars even registers as a blip.
:shakeshead: You've change Pistonheads... you've changed.
Edited by FWDRacer on Tuesday 2nd October 13:11
ToothbrushMan said:
i struggle with knowing whats what now that we have m140i ( 40 suggests 4 litres and 1 is clearly a 1 series but 140? whats the correllation to engine size or output? same for the M240i and M340i - is the 40i telling us its always a 3 litre with that demonination? baffling.
320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....
wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
That was true in the 1990s. It's time to move on. 320D easy - 3 series 2 litre diesel 318 d we know is detuned but similar etc....
wish they would just stop trying to be too clever with the badging.
I'm by no means a BMW fan, but I actually like the lines on this a lot, and it's nice to see a BMW that isn't an SUV bulbous piece of crap. Bring on the Touring version.
Agreed with a previous poster though, if I was looking at a saloon, it would be the Giulia, much prettier and more interesting car, that won't disappear in the works car park with all the other BMWs.
Agreed with a previous poster though, if I was looking at a saloon, it would be the Giulia, much prettier and more interesting car, that won't disappear in the works car park with all the other BMWs.
wab172uk said:
So as per usual, the next gen car is bigger than the car it replaces. ie, the new 3 Series will be huge. Probably getting on for a 5 series size a few Generations ago.
The 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?
No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.
For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Why would they implement a manual 340i x drive. It would mean devising a whole new manual gearbox for 1 model to handle AWD and would probably sell less than 100 in the countryThe 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?
No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.
For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
E65Ross said:
People mentioning the size....Have you got length, width and height dimensions? Couldn't see them in the article? I'm viewing on a laptop screen and the car looks absolutely tiny, although I assume in real life it'll be a bit bigger.
If one finds a 3 series too big, is a 1 or 2 series not sufficient?
It's bigger then E39 5 series in every dimensions (*except lenght, but not buy much)If one finds a 3 series too big, is a 1 or 2 series not sufficient?
New G20 / E39 sedan
Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm
btw e30 vs f31
Shiv_P said:
wab172uk said:
So as per usual, the next gen car is bigger than the car it replaces. ie, the new 3 Series will be huge. Probably getting on for a 5 series size a few Generations ago.
The 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?
No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.
For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Why would they implement a manual 340i x drive. It would mean devising a whole new manual gearbox for 1 model to handle AWD and would probably sell less than 100 in the countryThe 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?
No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.
For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
kars said:
E65Ross said:
People mentioning the size....Have you got length, width and height dimensions? Couldn't see them in the article? I'm viewing on a laptop screen and the car looks absolutely tiny, although I assume in real life it'll be a bit bigger.
If one finds a 3 series too big, is a 1 or 2 series not sufficient?
It's bigger then E39 5 series in every dimensions (*except lenght, but not buy much)If one finds a 3 series too big, is a 1 or 2 series not sufficient?
New G20 / E39
Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm
btw e30 vs f31
Plus, they make more models now, if the 3 series is too big, then you can have a 1 or a 2 series.
Funny isn't it, all the rose-tinted spectacled-wearing PHer says "E39 was the perfect size for a saloon car, new ones are too big" and BMW release another car with almost identical dimensions and now this car is too big
They have a model under the 3, unlike in yesteryear, so it doesn't matter
E65Ross said:
They have a model under the 3, unlike in yesteryear, so it doesn't matter
I broadly agree, although the lack of an estate (unless you count the 2AT) or four-door saloon version of the 1/2-series will inevitably put some people off it. I wonder if we'll get one in the next generation. Ninja59 said:
No 335D? Sad times, or I suppose these days "340D".
It is interesting that BMW appear to be restricting the twin turbo variant of the B57 to a very small amount of vehicles, unless like with the 5 series BMW UK are artificially not bringing it over to the UK, due to lack of interest and sales (540D and M550D), which if memory serves will only leave the 740D, 840D and some of the 40D X range with the twin turbo B57 available on UK shores. Disappointing.
Same with the new G05 X5, with only 30d and M50d six-pot diesels on offer, no 40d option (as yet)It is interesting that BMW appear to be restricting the twin turbo variant of the B57 to a very small amount of vehicles, unless like with the 5 series BMW UK are artificially not bringing it over to the UK, due to lack of interest and sales (540D and M550D), which if memory serves will only leave the 740D, 840D and some of the 40D X range with the twin turbo B57 available on UK shores. Disappointing.
All to do with the dieselgate fallout, plus the WLTP emissions tests that have to include ever variation of options.
As with these new packs and very few individual options seen on this new 3er, as a result of the stupid new WLTP tests, whereby you'll likely have to pay over the odds to get an option you want as you'll have to buy a bleedin pack that has loads of stuff you may not want.
Bad in a nickable BMW with comfort access likely to be lumped in with other stuff you want - grrrrrrr
Which is why I was considering a Cayenne next instead of another X5, until Porsche announced no more diesels - again grrrrrrrrr
Might just have to make my current X5 last another 10 years + now, as chances of being able to buy another new car in a spec I actually want/need is now going to be remote.
kars said:
It's bigger then E39 5 series in every dimensions (*except lenght, but not buy much)
New G20 / E39 sedan
Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm
btw e30 vs f31
Not unique to BMW by an stretch but every new car is bigger/bigger/bigger, FFS! It's one of my bugbears, roads are not getting any wider, parking spaces are not getting any wider and every new car is wider. No wonder people moan about having their car dinged in a supermarket car park, this new 3 series has a bigger footprint than the original Range Rover!New G20 / E39 sedan
Lenght - 4,709mm / 4,775mm
Width - 1,827mm / 1,800mm
Height - 1,442mm / 1,435mm
Wheelbase - 2871mm / 2,830mm
btw e30 vs f31
wab172uk said:
Shiv_P said:
wab172uk said:
So as per usual, the next gen car is bigger than the car it replaces. ie, the new 3 Series will be huge. Probably getting on for a 5 series size a few Generations ago.
The 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?
No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.
For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Why would they implement a manual 340i x drive. It would mean devising a whole new manual gearbox for 1 model to handle AWD and would probably sell less than 100 in the countryThe 340i will share the engine and power of the 1 & 2 series. Given this car is bigger and heavier, it'll be slower. Why not boost the power to make it quicker or at least as fast as it's smaller siblings?
No mention of X-drive I see. I thought about going for a 3 series a couple years ago. But you couldn't buy a 340i manual with X-drive. No doubt the new car will follow suit. Want X-Drive, you have to have an Auto.
For me, I think the new 1 & 2 series (whenever they're released) cars will be more of interest.
Do you still hand-crank to start your car? Or can you not be bothered to that?
Do you still have a manual choke? Or have you got one without as you can't be bothered to pull a little lever?
wab172uk said:
Isn't that quite sad though? Not many people can be bothered to change gear themselves.
It's sad in the same way it's sad that most people don't travel by horse drawn carriages or steam trains anymore.Nothing stays the same forever and progress, whether you or I agree with it or not, is inevitable. As someone else said, by the time the toddlers of today are adults, it's doubtful they'll even care about driving themselves, much less what transmission is being used to transport them.
kambites said:
E65Ross said:
They have a model under the 3, unlike in yesteryear, so it doesn't matter
I broadly agree, although the lack of an estate (unless you count the 2AT) or four-door saloon version of the 1/2-series will inevitably put some people off it. I wonder if we'll get one in the next generation. I think in a generations time the A A3 and 1/2 series will be where the C A4 and 3 series were.
FWDRacer said:
jamoor said:
I can't be thinking that the whole thing looks remarkably old fashioned.
Does it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
ParkingHeads. Becausecarsthatpark'emselvesmatter.comDoes it even have a high degree of autonomous driving capabilities?
I couldn't give a funk about autonomous driving flam on cars. At a personal level struggling to see the necessity other than losing any culpability a human being might have behind the steering wheel. On a site dedicated to driving enthusiasts I'm surprised autonomous feature on cars even registers as a blip.
:shakeshead: You've change Pistonheads... you've changed.
Edited by FWDRacer on Tuesday 2nd October 13:11
I see no pleasure derived from going around the M25 on a dark February evening, I'd rather the car do that whilst keeping an eye on obstacles and not going beyond the speed limit.
This is a 3 series after all and not an Aerial Atom.
aeropilot said:
Same with the new G05 X5, with only 30d and M50d six-pot diesels on offer, no 40d option (as yet)
All to do with the dieselgate fallout, plus the WLTP emissions tests that have to include ever variation of options.
As with these new packs and very few individual options seen on this new 3er, as a result of the stupid new WLTP tests, whereby you'll likely have to pay over the odds to get an option you want as you'll have to buy a bleedin pack that has loads of stuff you may not want.
Bad in a nickable BMW with comfort access likely to be lumped in with other stuff you want - grrrrrrr
Which is why I was considering a Cayenne next instead of another X5, until Porsche announced no more diesels - again grrrrrrrrr
Might just have to make my current X5 last another 10 years + now, as chances of being able to buy another new car in a spec I actually want/need is now going to be remote.
It is not all WLTP though, BMW UK have genuinely blocked some models from coming over here like the 540D, I doubt it would make any difference regarding testing whether it was LHD or RHD? All to do with the dieselgate fallout, plus the WLTP emissions tests that have to include ever variation of options.
As with these new packs and very few individual options seen on this new 3er, as a result of the stupid new WLTP tests, whereby you'll likely have to pay over the odds to get an option you want as you'll have to buy a bleedin pack that has loads of stuff you may not want.
Bad in a nickable BMW with comfort access likely to be lumped in with other stuff you want - grrrrrrr
Which is why I was considering a Cayenne next instead of another X5, until Porsche announced no more diesels - again grrrrrrrrr
Might just have to make my current X5 last another 10 years + now, as chances of being able to buy another new car in a spec I actually want/need is now going to be remote.
I do like you find it frustrating though that we are getting less choice of engines, I do not want a single turbo diesel, nor do I necessarily want a quad turbo one. I love my 640D for the twin turbo setup as it is just "right".
I agree over the packs thing as well like you say so many things are now grouped in packs you end up with stuff you have no interest in or has known issues for no real reason.
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