Monkey crashes Porsche
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If the police have declared that speed wasn't a factor then surely that means that the distance between the truck becoming visible to Chris and the collision is pretty short. Similar to an acceptabe stopping distance for a car doing a reasonable speed on a wet road, for example.
It's pretty harsh to presume that he's pranged his lovely motor because he was going too fast, when that's just based on the fact that we know he likes fast cars (as we all do), when theres no actual evidence of that.
It's pretty harsh to presume that he's pranged his lovely motor because he was going too fast, when that's just based on the fact that we know he likes fast cars (as we all do), when theres no actual evidence of that.
V8RX7 said:
Yes that's what the Highway Code says
But if I parked a load of cars across the road, around blind bends, I suspect all would be hit within a few minutes
We all drive in the real world and very few actually drive to half their stopping distance - particularly in high performance cars
Oh I completely agree, however if this was just a normal PH member that had done this, they'd be being told that they should have been driving slower/to the conditions - incredibly hypocritical this place let's be honest.But if I parked a load of cars across the road, around blind bends, I suspect all would be hit within a few minutes
We all drive in the real world and very few actually drive to half their stopping distance - particularly in high performance cars
DuncanM said:
julian64 said:
You are not allowed to assume there is nothing round a bend, and there is no bend in the entire world where you would have to stop and send a runner out.
To say the accident was unavoidable is just bonkers and shows a complete lack of road awareness.
Round my way its not uncommon to find a horse and horse rider round a bend. You can't just crash into horses and say. Unavoidable because the horse was In the middle of the road.
If the police weren't interested in him then they thought his driving was of a reasonable standard, but to be honest if the other car was a film car and he was doing some sort of video then he needs to reassess where his concentration was, cos that's no better than being on a mobile from the point of view of distraction.
If I car doing a U turn round a bend is unavoidable I suggest he never drives in London, else he is likely to rear end the second or third Taxi he meets.
I assume the police cleared him from most of that so good luck to him, but stop saying unavoidable.
Spot on. To say the accident was unavoidable is just bonkers and shows a complete lack of road awareness.
Round my way its not uncommon to find a horse and horse rider round a bend. You can't just crash into horses and say. Unavoidable because the horse was In the middle of the road.
If the police weren't interested in him then they thought his driving was of a reasonable standard, but to be honest if the other car was a film car and he was doing some sort of video then he needs to reassess where his concentration was, cos that's no better than being on a mobile from the point of view of distraction.
If I car doing a U turn round a bend is unavoidable I suggest he never drives in London, else he is likely to rear end the second or third Taxi he meets.
I assume the police cleared him from most of that so good luck to him, but stop saying unavoidable.
cowboyengineer said:
p1stonhead said:
How is it not an absolute?
If you hit something in the road stopped in your lane, how are you not going too fast for the conditions?
But it wasn't stopped in the lane. It moved in to his lane. If you hit something in the road stopped in your lane, how are you not going too fast for the conditions?
There's always one that thinks they could have done better, I had the same nonsense when a badger ran out in front of me at 11pm on a straight NSL road, rendering my car a total write off.
Literally wouldn't made a difference if I was doing 20mph or 60mph, there was no warning, just a small white flash in my headlights less than 2 ft in front of the car and then my car going airborn for a split second.
The same people are those who think they'd never get caught out by crash for cash scammer. But these scammers know exactly how to make you crash and 99% of people wouldn't stand a chance.
lyonspride said:
...there was no warning, just a small white flash in my headlights less than 2 ft in front of the car and then my car going airborn for a split second.
They're tricky buggers, them hypersonic badgers.Fortunately, even after years living in Gloucestershire (where before the cull you could walk from one side of the county to the other across the backs of the little furry b
ds at night) I've only ever encountered the standard variety, which do well to shamble along at human jogging pace, and which are easily avoided by anyone who isn't actually clinically comatose.Equus said:
lyonspride said:
...there was no warning, just a small white flash in my headlights less than 2 ft in front of the car and then my car going airborn for a split second.
They're tricky buggers, them hypersonic badgers.Fortunately, even after years living in Gloucestershire (where before the cull you could walk from one side of the county to the other across the backs of the little furry b
ds at night) I've only ever encountered the standard variety, which do well to shamble along at human jogging pace, and which are easily avoided by anyone who isn't actually clinically comatose.And when they do that from a hedge right next to the road, you ain't going to avoid it, not a chance.
DuncanM said:
julian64 said:
You are not allowed to assume there is nothing round a bend, and there is no bend in the entire world where you would have to stop and send a runner out.
To say the accident was unavoidable is just bonkers and shows a complete lack of road awareness.
Round my way its not uncommon to find a horse and horse rider round a bend. You can't just crash into horses and say. Unavoidable because the horse was In the middle of the road.
If the police weren't interested in him then they thought his driving was of a reasonable standard, but to be honest if the other car was a film car and he was doing some sort of video then he needs to reassess where his concentration was, cos that's no better than being on a mobile from the point of view of distraction.
If I car doing a U turn round a bend is unavoidable I suggest he never drives in London, else he is likely to rear end the second or third Taxi he meets.
I assume the police cleared him from most of that so good luck to him, but stop saying unavoidable.
Spot on. To say the accident was unavoidable is just bonkers and shows a complete lack of road awareness.
Round my way its not uncommon to find a horse and horse rider round a bend. You can't just crash into horses and say. Unavoidable because the horse was In the middle of the road.
If the police weren't interested in him then they thought his driving was of a reasonable standard, but to be honest if the other car was a film car and he was doing some sort of video then he needs to reassess where his concentration was, cos that's no better than being on a mobile from the point of view of distraction.
If I car doing a U turn round a bend is unavoidable I suggest he never drives in London, else he is likely to rear end the second or third Taxi he meets.
I assume the police cleared him from most of that so good luck to him, but stop saying unavoidable.
vonhosen said:
Most collisions that involve more than one driver will tend to have a degree of culpability on both parties.
It only takes one to be doing exactly what they really should be doing for it to be avoided. If both do what they really shouldn't be doing then there could be a degree of culpability on both.
1) Drivers generally shouldn't be performing three point turns in positions with poor sight lines or areas of potential conflict.
2) Drivers should drive so as to be able to stop before reaching a stationary vehicle in the road ahead of them.
There are a lot of variables that could move the degree of culpability/liability line away from one towards the other.
Each case should be judged on it's own full facts & we don't have anything like the full facts here.
^ This. Harris should have been able to stop in time to avoid a stationary obstacle, even if it was somewhere stupid, but we don't know whether it actually turned into his path.It only takes one to be doing exactly what they really should be doing for it to be avoided. If both do what they really shouldn't be doing then there could be a degree of culpability on both.
1) Drivers generally shouldn't be performing three point turns in positions with poor sight lines or areas of potential conflict.
2) Drivers should drive so as to be able to stop before reaching a stationary vehicle in the road ahead of them.
There are a lot of variables that could move the degree of culpability/liability line away from one towards the other.
Each case should be judged on it's own full facts & we don't have anything like the full facts here.
clarki said:
From what little i've seen of Chris Harris (Top Gear mainly) he does come across as someone who seems to want to drive at full speed everywhere to impress people. Most of us are like that, when we're 19.
Shame, looks like it was a nice Porsche.
Like any other journalist ?? Shame, looks like it was a nice Porsche.
thecremeegg said:
V8RX7 said:
Yes that's what the Highway Code says
But if I parked a load of cars across the road, around blind bends, I suspect all would be hit within a few minutes
We all drive in the real world and very few actually drive to half their stopping distance - particularly in high performance cars
Oh I completely agree, however if this was just a normal PH member that had done this, they'd be being told that they should have been driving slower/to the conditions - incredibly hypocritical this place let's be honest.But if I parked a load of cars across the road, around blind bends, I suspect all would be hit within a few minutes
We all drive in the real world and very few actually drive to half their stopping distance - particularly in high performance cars
Naturally car control isn't the same as road awareness etc. but the man does do a lot of driving in a lot of fast cars and has done so whilst in the public ( or at least PH ) eye for many, many years without repeatedly spannering it in to stationary objects (as I suspect we'd have heard about it, much like now)
Or maybe we all just fancy him, who knows
lyonspride said:
You do know that they can "shamble" at 20mph.......... Right?
Like hell they can.I've 'chased' them up narrow country lanes in the Cotswolds on several occasions, where Mr Brock has got himself stuck down on the road surface between banks and hedges on either side, and I've had to follow him until he reaches a farm gate to escape through, so I can tell you with some certainty that their panicked sprint, with a f
king great Range Rover bearing down on them, is no better than half that speed.If the Monkey is used to driving around the Tintern Abbey area, he should have been anticipating horses, by day, and wild boar, by night.
Hitting a wild boar makes headbutting a pick-up truck look like the easy option.
I used to ride my bike on that section of road every single day commuting between Bristol and Hereford. It is indeed very narrow and greasy at this time of year. Last time I went that way they'd closed the northbound lane due to rocks falling down off the adjacent cliffside so CH was actually driving through the traffic lights (you can see cones and concrete barriers in the background, if can take your eyes away from the battered Porsche). It is possible the truck was something to do with the repair work and was manoeuvring out of the cordon.
You can guarantee those on this thread who believe they can avoid any accident will one day hit a herd of deer who suddenly career over a bank and into their path.
As they struggle for breath under the bloodied scrotum of a mortally wounded 300lb stag they may realise how wrong they were.
As they struggle for breath under the bloodied scrotum of a mortally wounded 300lb stag they may realise how wrong they were.
clarki said:
From what little i've seen of Chris Harris (Top Gear mainly) he does come across as someone who seems to want to drive at full speed everywhere to impress people. Most of us are like that, when we're 19.
Shame, looks like it was a nice Porsche.
You know one of his favourite cars is a 2CV?Shame, looks like it was a nice Porsche.
Equus said:
Like hell they can.
I've 'chased' them up narrow country lanes in the Cotswolds on several occasions, where Mr Brock has got himself stuck down on the road surface between banks and hedges on either side, and I've had to follow him until he reaches a farm gate to escape through, so I can tell you with some certainty that their panicked sprint, with a fking great Range Rover bearing down on them, is no better than half that speed.
If the Monkey is used to driving around the Tintern Abbey area, he should have been anticipating horses, by day, and wild boar, by night.
Hitting a wild boar makes headbutting a pick-up truck look like the easy option.
Wrong side of the water for boar... I've 'chased' them up narrow country lanes in the Cotswolds on several occasions, where Mr Brock has got himself stuck down on the road surface between banks and hedges on either side, and I've had to follow him until he reaches a farm gate to escape through, so I can tell you with some certainty that their panicked sprint, with a f
king great Range Rover bearing down on them, is no better than half that speed.If the Monkey is used to driving around the Tintern Abbey area, he should have been anticipating horses, by day, and wild boar, by night.
Hitting a wild boar makes headbutting a pick-up truck look like the easy option.
at the momentMore likely deer of various sizes...
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