E class cabriolet delivered with wrong badge
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Sheepshanks said:
Fast Bug said:
Why? They haven't reflected engine capacity for many years now, same with BMW
The first number's usually been right, I think? So 200/220/250 where all 2.1 litre, than later 2 litre.kambites said:
Hoofy said:
How does "40" relate to a 3 litre turbo then? Surely, it should be 630. Or 630T if they want to make it different from any non-turbo variant?
It doesn't, and it hasn't for decades. It's an indication of the performance of the car relative to others in the range, nothing more. You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.
samoht said:
TommyBuoy said:
Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency
"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.
samoht said:
TommyBuoy said:
Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency
"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.
Hoofy said:
kambites said:
Hoofy said:
How does "40" relate to a 3 litre turbo then? Surely, it should be 630. Or 630T if they want to make it different from any non-turbo variant?
It doesn't, and it hasn't for decades. It's an indication of the performance of the car relative to others in the range, nothing more. You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.
Is it just German manufacturers doing the weird model / engine discrepancy?
Hoofy said:
Composer62 said:
I followed a Nissan Leaf for a while today and noticed that the big round "NISSAN" badge on the back was upside down and actually said "NASSIN" .
Wonder if the driver did that on purpose. Could be an asian name?Fast Bug said:
Sheepshanks said:
Fast Bug said:
Why? They haven't reflected engine capacity for many years now, same with BMW
The first number's usually been right, I think? So 200/220/250 where all 2.1 litre, than later 2 litre.The new GLE still gets a 6 cylinder(now straight six) 3 litre I believe and it is badged 350d and 400d with different power outputs.
TommyBuoy said:
samoht said:
TommyBuoy said:
Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency
"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.
Is this how the German Car Industry is preparing for a no deal brexit as the 'The German veg' have gone for broke with no deal!
The German car industry is not looking good!
Badging cars with the wrong badges but then Merc quality control has been a joke for years give it 6 months and the day running lights go out like candles.
I think this countries obsession with overpriced, German car is laughable.
The new AUDI badging of power is funny, friend of mine has a modded 2007 S3 and saw a new yellow A1 35 TFSI "blimey thats a 3.5 litre A1!!!!!
The German car industry is not looking good!
Badging cars with the wrong badges but then Merc quality control has been a joke for years give it 6 months and the day running lights go out like candles.
I think this countries obsession with overpriced, German car is laughable.
The new AUDI badging of power is funny, friend of mine has a modded 2007 S3 and saw a new yellow A1 35 TFSI "blimey thats a 3.5 litre A1!!!!!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 10th October 16:23
Mr Peel said:
TommyBuoy said:
samoht said:
TommyBuoy said:
Completely off topic, but why do eco friendly cars, or the technology for them have blue badges if theY are 'green' e.g blue efficiency
"Green" risks being a legally binding claim that a product is good for the environment ... when at the end of the day, it's still a machine that turns old dinosaurs into smoke.Hence manufacturers latched onto "Blue" as a way of suggesting a less polluting product, without risking having to defend in court claims that it has zero or positive effect on the environment.
surveyor_101 said:
Is this how the German Car Industry is preparing for a no deal brexit as the 'The German veg' have gone for broke with no deal!
The German car industry is not looking good!
Badging cars with the wrong badges but then Merc quality control has been a joke for years give it 6 months and the day running lights go out like candles.
I think this countries obsession with overpriced, German car is laughable.
The new AUDI badging of power is funny, friend of mine has a modded 2007 S3 and saw a new yellow A1 35 TFSI "blimey thats a 3.5 litre A1!!!!!
Pssh it is the A1 vorsprung durch technik 35 TFSI S line executive edition in fullThe German car industry is not looking good!
Badging cars with the wrong badges but then Merc quality control has been a joke for years give it 6 months and the day running lights go out like candles.
I think this countries obsession with overpriced, German car is laughable.
The new AUDI badging of power is funny, friend of mine has a modded 2007 S3 and saw a new yellow A1 35 TFSI "blimey thats a 3.5 litre A1!!!!!
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 10th October 16:23
Edited by bluemason on Thursday 10th October 16:43
kambites said:
Hoofy said:
You say decades... taking the 6 series for example, up until 2010 they were still more or less similar to the engine size. 645Ci had a 4.4 litre engine.
Well yes, but "more or less similar to" is still different. 1982 316 - 1.8 litre
1985 325/525e - 2.7 litre
1996 318i 1.8 litre 8v, 318is 1.9 litre 16v
1996 323i - 2.5 litre
1998 318i 1.9 litre 8v, 2001 2.0 16v
2000 320i/520 2.2 litre
A handful of examples, there are dozens more from BMW over the last 40 years or so.
In terms of forced induction levels changing the effective displacement and badge in the manner of a 3.0 litre diesel being a *25d, *30d, *35d,*40d, *50d since 2006-ish, the first one of those I can think of was the Euro E23 745i of 1980 which used a 3.2 litre six cylinder turbo engine. In SA they also had a 745i, but that stuck with a normally aspirated Motorsport 24v six.
TL;DR: BMW have done it for decades, so have M-B. 450 SEL 6.3 and 6.9 were 6.2 litre and 6.8 litre respectively. As was the initial C63, "63" chosen originally for marketing reasons on the 450SEL, latterly applied for the link to its heritage and still in use on a 4.0 biturbo now.
Normal people don't usually know or care, it's only weirdbeards like us...
Sheepshanks said:
Fast Bug said:
The old GLE 350d produced 258hp, the 300d makes 245hp with better mpg and emmissions
A lot less torque though. And two fewer cylinders. Anyway I'm hanging on my 270CDi - it really is 2.7 and I love the feel and sound of the 5cyl engine.
My GLC350d is hardly a rocket ship with 258bhp but I'd imagine the GLC220d to be a right slug to drive with its kerbweight. I remember how my 520d touring struggled with 1700kg and that had 177bhp!!
The GLC is better with a slow and steady approach granted, but I think that the 220d would be taking it to the extreme. In fairness to the GLC220d though all the reviews I've read say that it is the one to have, and I guess that is why the 350d(3 litre V6) engine has been dropped now from the GLC.
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