How much have you spent.

[s m]

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

That will be some engine I guess!

550-600ish?

[rufusgti]

Max_Torque said:

MC Bodge said:

Max_Torque said:

MC Bodge said:

How? Why? What do/did you use it for?!

It was built as a National level "K37" single venue tarmac rally car.

And the MSA banned it before it could run even once..........

Noooooo.

Long story!

The "rules" allowed 2wd cars to run much lighter than the 4wd cars, and allowed pretty much free mods in the K37 class, as long as you followed all the necessary safety ones. On dry tarmac, these lightweight cars (1110 kg plays 1270 kg), with their large 37mm inlet restricted turbo engines (ass opposed to the 32/34mm for the 4wd cars) could beat the ex works 4wd cars, and because they were 2wd the transmission for such a car was much cheaper (£25k vs £95k).
Unfortunately, a lot of the 4wd boys got a bit fed up having their £400,000 ex woks WRC car get beaten by a car made in a shed for a quarter of the cost, and lobbied the MSA to ban these cars.

The MSA announced that from Jan 1 2012, they would not accept an further K37 cars for competition log book registration, and that the class would be entirely banned from (iirc) 2016. No problem though i, my car was finsihed in mid 2011, and i applied to get it a log book, only to be told "sorry, we have already used up all the allocation of K37 log books for this year".

To say i was a bit annoyed was an understatement, because at no point had a limitation on registration numbers been mentioned or ratified. The MSA further said when challenged that the K37 class was limited on safety grounds, and yet my car was built in excess of the requirements, and was far in excess of those for historic rallying that used exactly the same stages as we did.


The end of the "K37's" also saw the retirement of cars such as Andy Burtons 306 Cosworth, and really, marked the beginning of the end for non-single make clubman rallying in the UK..........

You must have been sick as a pig. What happened in the end. Did you sell, did you ever drive it at all?

[Caddyshack]

200Plus Club said:

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

How does that work? Who/how/when springs to mind. Just for the engine (hope not!) or the turbo etc too?
Intrigued as I got a forged 2 litre 3SGTE built for 6k back in the day inc turbo and 350bhp on safe sensible boost levels.

730 bhp Engine, 2.3l, long studs, special head, big wing sump, twin scroll manifold, twin scroll turbo, special crank, rods, pistons....the list goes on and on, luckily I paid 10k as the owner dynoed it, drove it, scared himself and sold it...I am detuning to 630 bhp and near 600 ftlb. Cossie tax and parts are big money.

My 4x4 gearbox was 7k to take the power, 4K dampers, 4K Wrc rear end, cage was 4K, cradle and suspension over 5k and then diffs were 4K. It is not cheap.

[200Plus Club]

TheAngryDog said:

200Plus Club said:

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

How does that work? Who/how/when springs to mind. Just for the engine (hope not!) or the turbo etc too?
Intrigued as I got a forged 2 litre 3SGTE built for 6k back in the day inc turbo and 350bhp on safe sensible boost levels.

Madness. My brother had his Cosworth engine forged with new block etc for under 6k

I understand Millington diamond engines start at/around 25k but doing thatmuch on a cossy engine is going some.
Saying that, back in the day I drove a 900bhp R34Gtr that had over £100k thrown at Rod Bell to make it very harsh and loud with sequential box to boot. That blew up a couple of times if I recall for various issues.

[Caddyshack]

s m said:

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

That will be some engine I guess!

550-600ish?

It did 730 bhp but I am going to run just over 600

[oilslick]

Petrolsmasher said:

Modifying your car and what did you buy the car for.

Im starting to get a bit depressed on how much ive spent and going to spend on my car modifying it, but at the same time i love it and the mods really do improve the car.

I bought my car for 12500 and i have:

Spent 2K on mods so far.

Plan on spending 5k over the next year or so to get it exactly how i want it.

Car parts are so expensive lol.

My car is only worth about 8k now so pointless trading it up for a better model when ill lose loads just trading it in as ill only want to modify my next car.

I don't understand why you'd piss away so much cash on an old Fiesta ST. You're hardly adding any value to it, why don't you just sell it, add the 5k and buy something better?

[Caddyshack]

TheAngryDog said:

200Plus Club said:

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

How does that work? Who/how/when springs to mind. Just for the engine (hope not!) or the turbo etc too?
Intrigued as I got a forged 2 litre 3SGTE built for 6k back in the day inc turbo and 350bhp on safe sensible boost levels.

Madness. My brother had his Cosworth engine forged with new block etc for under 6k

Today a crank is 2.5k, decent block long studded over 4.5k, head 2k then have it ported, rebuilt with valves and cams, easy 3.5k. Twin scroll turbo and manifold is another 3k, new ecu and wiring, someone to map it and bolt it together.....mine is in a pug 205 4x4. Liners, bearings, baskets, Wrc breather etc.....

[200Plus Club]

Caddyshack said:

200Plus Club said:

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

How does that work? Who/how/when springs to mind. Just for the engine (hope not!) or the turbo etc too?
Intrigued as I got a forged 2 litre 3SGTE built for 6k back in the day inc turbo and 350bhp on safe sensible boost levels.

730 bhp Engine, 2.3l, long studs, special head, big wing sump, twin scroll manifold, twin scroll turbo, special crank, rods, pistons....the list goes on and on, luckily I paid 10k as the owner dynoed it, drove it, scared himself and sold it...I am detuning to 630 bhp and near 600 ftlb. Cossie tax and parts are big money.

My 4x4 gearbox was 7k to take the power, 4K dampers, 4K Wrc rear end, cage was 4K, cradle and suspension over 5k and then diffs were 4K. It is not cheap.

Crikey
Useable or total overkill?

[s m]

Caddyshack said:

730 bhp Engine, 2.3l, long studs, special head, big wing sump, twin scroll manifold, twin scroll turbo, special crank, rods, pistons....the list goes on and on, luckily I paid 10k as the owner dynoed it, drove it, scared himself and sold it...I am detuning to 630 bhp and near 600 ftlb. Cossie tax and parts are big money.

My 4x4 gearbox was 7k to take the power, 4K dampers, 4K Wrc rear end, cage was 4K, cradle and suspension over 5k and then diffs were 4K. It is not cheap.

Sounds immense

[Caddyshack]

200Plus Club said:

Caddyshack said:

200Plus Club said:

Caddyshack said:

My Cosworth Engine was £26k alone.

How does that work? Who/how/when springs to mind. Just for the engine (hope not!) or the turbo etc too?
Intrigued as I got a forged 2 litre 3SGTE built for 6k back in the day inc turbo and 350bhp on safe sensible boost levels.

730 bhp Engine, 2.3l, long studs, special head, big wing sump, twin scroll manifold, twin scroll turbo, special crank, rods, pistons....the list goes on and on, luckily I paid 10k as the owner dynoed it, drove it, scared himself and sold it...I am detuning to 630 bhp and near 600 ftlb. Cossie tax and parts are big money.

My 4x4 gearbox was 7k to take the power, 4K dampers, 4K Wrc rear end, cage was 4K, cradle and suspension over 5k and then diffs were 4K. It is not cheap.

Crikey
Useable or total overkill?

The build is to make is useable, it was mental at 470 bhp, it has now shed over 200kg and gone up in power but the chassis and cage is pure wrc with improvements so should be good. Most panels are carbon or Kevlar, cage is high spec light weight steel, same fore the Wrc cradle etc.

[ChevronB19]

My 105e race car allegedly cost somewhere around £80k to build (and it shows), and I’m trying to run it on a shoestring budget. Come to think about it, I need some new shoestrings, and I can’t afford them!

[Caddyshack]

A Cosworth dfv rebuild is about 40k or more yet you can buy a 1000 bhp crate engine for under 15k from Ford for a big spec v8 ready to run. You pay for the rarity etc...

[s m]

I’d hate to think how much a Singer engine build costs

Even those Alfaholics engines that put out 290bhp must be some price

[SidewaysSi]

oilslick said:

Petrolsmasher said:

Modifying your car and what did you buy the car for.

Im starting to get a bit depressed on how much ive spent and going to spend on my car modifying it, but at the same time i love it and the mods really do improve the car.

I bought my car for 12500 and i have:

Spent 2K on mods so far.

Plan on spending 5k over the next year or so to get it exactly how i want it.

Car parts are so expensive lol.

My car is only worth about 8k now so pointless trading it up for a better model when ill lose loads just trading it in as ill only want to modify my next car.

I don't understand why you'd piss away so much cash on an old Fiesta ST. You're hardly adding any value to it, why don't you just sell it, add the 5k and buy something better?

Bit of a daft comment which could apply to anyone on this thread. Why spend any money modifying anything at all? You either get it or you don't I'm afraid.

[anonymous-user]

This thread is PH.

Just saying.

[liner33]

SidewaysSi said:

oilslick said:

Petrolsmasher said:

Modifying your car and what did you buy the car for.

Im starting to get a bit depressed on how much ive spent and going to spend on my car modifying it, but at the same time i love it and the mods really do improve the car.

I bought my car for 12500 and i have:

Spent 2K on mods so far.

Plan on spending 5k over the next year or so to get it exactly how i want it.

Car parts are so expensive lol.

My car is only worth about 8k now so pointless trading it up for a better model when ill lose loads just trading it in as ill only want to modify my next car.

I don't understand why you'd piss away so much cash on an old Fiesta ST. You're hardly adding any value to it, why don't you just sell it, add the 5k and buy something better?

Bit of a daft comment which could apply to anyone on this thread. Why spend any money modifying anything at all? You either get it or you don't I'm afraid.

Alternatively you could buy a BMW on pcp and spunk thousands on depreciation over a few years

[Mandalore]

DoubleD said:

I think his point is that you dont need to spend lots on improving a car if you get the right car in the 1st place.

^^PH fun Police.

[anonymous-user]

oilslick said:

I don't understand why you'd piss away so much cash on an old Fiesta ST. You're hardly adding any value to it, why don't you just sell it, add the 5k and buy something better?

I don't understand why anyone would buy a Lexus 400, but each to their own. The wonderful thing about tweaking things is you can sometimes end up with sometihng far greater than the sum of its parts. To the point where something worth 2-3 times as much would actually hold zero interest.

[SidewaysSi]

yonex said:

oilslick said:

I don't understand why you'd piss away so much cash on an old Fiesta ST. You're hardly adding any value to it, why don't you just sell it, add the 5k and buy something better?

I don't understand why anyone would buy a Lexus 400, but each to their own. The wonderful thing about tweaking things is you can sometimes end up with sometihng far greater than the sum of its parts. To the point where something worth 2-3 times as much would actually hold zero interest.

Yep. The line "just sell it....and buy something better" says it all.

[anonymous-user]

rufusgti said:

You must have been sick as a pig. What happened in the end. Did you sell, did you ever drive it at all?

It's sat in my garage gathering dust! I'm too busy with work to do anything with it at the moment. When i retire i might use it to scare myself into an early grave.... ;-)

(630bhp / 920 kg unrestricted / un-ballasted)