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Stick Legs said:
If I won the Euro Millions I would have one of these in a heartbeat.
I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
I like your style! If I win the euromillions, I'm going to take your idea, do it and pretend it was mine I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
humphra said:
Stick Legs said:
If I won the Euro Millions I would have one of these in a heartbeat.
I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
I like your style! If I win the euromillions, I'm going to take your idea, do it and pretend it was mine I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
andySC said:
Veyron photo bomb ! I was doing a bike race a few years ago near Knutsford. Mrs got her camera ready to take a picture just as the Veyron ruined the shot :-)). She said it sounded epic.
Stick Legs said:
humphra said:
Stick Legs said:
If I won the Euro Millions I would have one of these in a heartbeat.
I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
I like your style! If I win the euromillions, I'm going to take your idea, do it and pretend it was mine I'd then spend 2 years driving it everywhere in all weathers just for the fun of it, get pictures taken all over Europe of it covered in filth and road grime, let anyone who asked nicely to sit in it or have a picture taken with it, put a sticker on the inside of the engine cover of every country I visited and then auction it off for charity at the end.
What a way to blow £1m.
I remember being at Goodwood 10+ years ago with people standing around admiring the Ferrari fxx. Seconds later a Veyron arrived and everyone ran over to check it out.
I remember thinking at the time what a place it held in people's hearts when a pretty rare Ferrari is ignored for a (relatively) common Veyron.
I remember thinking at the time what a place it held in people's hearts when a pretty rare Ferrari is ignored for a (relatively) common Veyron.
Impressive, but always left me cold. I feel the same way about McLarens (F1 and T.50 excepted). I think they appeal primarily to people with a shallow interest in cars. By itself, top speed, or even acceleration, is not that very interesting for driving enthusiasts. It's why a fast Suzuki Hayabusa is a less engaging bike than a slower Suzuki GSXR 750, or why an old and slower 911 2.7RS will make your heart beat faster than a much faster 996 911 Turbo.
article said:
There's no arguing with Veyron performance numbers. One magazine pointed out that if a Veyron set off from a standing start 10 seconds after a McLaren F1, by which point the F1 would be moving at 130mph, the Bugatti would hit 200mph at exactly the same time as the F1.
Which is a really long winded way to say that's it's 10 seconds quicker to 200 than the 20 year older F1?Not to mention... are they sure
(320kph is 198mph to save you checking).
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=f...
The Veyron is pulling away, but it ain't exactly leaving it for dust.
Whilst everyone is telling their Veyron stories.
In 2007/8ish I was working in Asset Finance and was approached by one of my brokers to ask if we'd finance a Veyron, it took me about half a second to say "yes" - not only would a £1m lend, even at silly low rates earn me a decent lump of cash come bonus time, the Bank had a policy that we had to inspect every high end vehicle to make sure it existed and we weren't just lending a big pile of money against a reg number someone had spotted cruising past Harrods. So I'd get to go an see it, check the VIN number, something I'd done with dozens of super cars before and generally the dealers were lovely, let you sit in them etc even though they'd seen you'd turned up in a Honda Acord or something.
It all turned to rat s
t, the buyer was shopping around everywhere and had also approached one of my colleagues in another office to fund it directly, and not via my broker, a couple of days of my boss fighting with the boss of the other office, furiously exchanged e-mails 'proving' who had it first etc and I 'lost' ultimately it came down to the bosses' boss disliking Brokers and the entire Broker department (which he closed shortly after). My broker was furious, accused us of cutting him out, huge mess and I never got to see a Veyron in the flesh.
Worked out for the best though, the 'buyer' was a little on the shady side to say the least... It was proposed to be a private purchase for the owner, but in actual fact it was going to be part of a Car Club fleet which changed the risk profile completely, then within weeks the Credit Crunch happened, Lehman's fell and the payments stopped. This was obviously Bad for my colleague (he he) but there's 'Bad' as in you might have to repo a Veyron, which if the now former owner wants to be a dick about it and refuse to hand over the key, special key and all the other assorted fripperies will mean a big loss when you some to sell and then there's "bad" as in the owner says "sorry, it's not my car it belongs to the club, I don't know where it is and if you want to chase me for the money, I'll sue you". This was the latter, so I got to enjoy a few weeks in which my colleague desperately tried to shift blame my way, any way then tried to change history to say he'd always planned to 'share' the deal with me, just never got around to it so it's only fair if I took on half the loss (ha ha) also because before he upped sticks he used to work in my office and left under a cloud because another multimillion pound deal went to rat st because the asset (mining equipment in this case) turned out to be both financed by several funders as once, but also 'missing' so he wasn't enjoying the limelight too much.
In the end it did turn up, the rest of the story was almost legend in work, but supposedly it took some work, but the recovery team finally convinced Tracker that the car was legally ours again, and they started the business of repossessing it. If you're after a Transit or a Golf it's easy enough, you ask the keeper for the keys and anything else they have, it's in their interest because they're still liable for any shortfall after it's sold, but if they don't you drag it onto a recovery vehicle force entry later, sort out replacement keys or locks or whatever and hand it over to BCA like we did with all the normal end of lease vehicles. But as above, even dragging the thing onto a truck could cause huge amounts of expensive damage and it was really unclear who had the car at the time, or even if it was insured or whether they'd be prepared to hand over the keys to some hairy arsed bloke in High Vis just because they've got a bit of printed A4 paper saying they can take it. They did recover it, with the keys, but it was still a big loss.
This is were the story really becomes legend, supposedly they recovered it from Dunsfold, but only after it had completed a lap with the Stig, Top Gear has been trying to get a Veyron for a lap for ages, Bugatti had said no and given the costs for tyres etc who would want to lend them one, so whoever had hold of it at the time, lent it to Top Gear for a lap and it was repo'd shortly after. I know, because I spoke to one of the underwriters about the loss after words, just for the fun of it, that it came back with some light accident damage, and if you find the video on YT of the first TG lap with a Veyron, you'll notice a dent on the right side near the floor.
In 2007/8ish I was working in Asset Finance and was approached by one of my brokers to ask if we'd finance a Veyron, it took me about half a second to say "yes" - not only would a £1m lend, even at silly low rates earn me a decent lump of cash come bonus time, the Bank had a policy that we had to inspect every high end vehicle to make sure it existed and we weren't just lending a big pile of money against a reg number someone had spotted cruising past Harrods. So I'd get to go an see it, check the VIN number, something I'd done with dozens of super cars before and generally the dealers were lovely, let you sit in them etc even though they'd seen you'd turned up in a Honda Acord or something.
It all turned to rat s
t, the buyer was shopping around everywhere and had also approached one of my colleagues in another office to fund it directly, and not via my broker, a couple of days of my boss fighting with the boss of the other office, furiously exchanged e-mails 'proving' who had it first etc and I 'lost' ultimately it came down to the bosses' boss disliking Brokers and the entire Broker department (which he closed shortly after). My broker was furious, accused us of cutting him out, huge mess and I never got to see a Veyron in the flesh.Worked out for the best though, the 'buyer' was a little on the shady side to say the least... It was proposed to be a private purchase for the owner, but in actual fact it was going to be part of a Car Club fleet which changed the risk profile completely, then within weeks the Credit Crunch happened, Lehman's fell and the payments stopped. This was obviously Bad for my colleague (he he) but there's 'Bad' as in you might have to repo a Veyron, which if the now former owner wants to be a dick about it and refuse to hand over the key, special key and all the other assorted fripperies will mean a big loss when you some to sell and then there's "bad" as in the owner says "sorry, it's not my car it belongs to the club, I don't know where it is and if you want to chase me for the money, I'll sue you". This was the latter, so I got to enjoy a few weeks in which my colleague desperately tried to shift blame my way, any way then tried to change history to say he'd always planned to 'share' the deal with me, just never got around to it so it's only fair if I took on half the loss (ha ha) also because before he upped sticks he used to work in my office and left under a cloud because another multimillion pound deal went to rat s
t because the asset (mining equipment in this case) turned out to be both financed by several funders as once, but also 'missing' so he wasn't enjoying the limelight too much.In the end it did turn up, the rest of the story was almost legend in work, but supposedly it took some work, but the recovery team finally convinced Tracker that the car was legally ours again, and they started the business of repossessing it. If you're after a Transit or a Golf it's easy enough, you ask the keeper for the keys and anything else they have, it's in their interest because they're still liable for any shortfall after it's sold, but if they don't you drag it onto a recovery vehicle force entry later, sort out replacement keys or locks or whatever and hand it over to BCA like we did with all the normal end of lease vehicles. But as above, even dragging the thing onto a truck could cause huge amounts of expensive damage and it was really unclear who had the car at the time, or even if it was insured or whether they'd be prepared to hand over the keys to some hairy arsed bloke in High Vis just because they've got a bit of printed A4 paper saying they can take it. They did recover it, with the keys, but it was still a big loss.
This is were the story really becomes legend, supposedly they recovered it from Dunsfold, but only after it had completed a lap with the Stig, Top Gear has been trying to get a Veyron for a lap for ages, Bugatti had said no and given the costs for tyres etc who would want to lend them one, so whoever had hold of it at the time, lent it to Top Gear for a lap and it was repo'd shortly after. I know, because I spoke to one of the underwriters about the loss after words, just for the fun of it, that it came back with some light accident damage, and if you find the video on YT of the first TG lap with a Veyron, you'll notice a dent on the right side near the floor.
P-Jay said:
Whilst everyone is telling their Veyron stories.
In 2007/8ish I was working in Asset Finance and was approached by one of my brokers to ask if we'd finance a Veyron, it took me about half a second to say "yes" - not only would a £1m lend, even at silly low rates earn me a decent lump of cash come bonus time, the Bank had a policy that we had to inspect every high end vehicle to make sure it existed and we weren't just lending a big pile of money against a reg number someone had spotted cruising past Harrods. So I'd get to go an see it, check the VIN number, something I'd done with dozens of super cars before and generally the dealers were lovely, let you sit in them etc even though they'd seen you'd turned up in a Honda Acord or something.
It all turned to rat st, the buyer was shopping around everywhere and had also approached one of my colleagues in another office to fund it directly, and not via my broker, a couple of days of my boss fighting with the boss of the other office, furiously exchanged e-mails 'proving' who had it first etc and I 'lost' ultimately it came down to the bosses' boss disliking Brokers and the entire Broker department (which he closed shortly after). My broker was furious, accused us of cutting him out, huge mess and I never got to see a Veyron in the flesh.
Worked out for the best though, the 'buyer' was a little on the shady side to say the least... It was proposed to be a private purchase for the owner, but in actual fact it was going to be part of a Car Club fleet which changed the risk profile completely, then within weeks the Credit Crunch happened, Lehman's fell and the payments stopped. This was obviously Bad for my colleague (he he) but there's 'Bad' as in you might have to repo a Veyron, which if the now former owner wants to be a dick about it and refuse to hand over the key, special key and all the other assorted fripperies will mean a big loss when you some to sell and then there's "bad" as in the owner says "sorry, it's not my car it belongs to the club, I don't know where it is and if you want to chase me for the money, I'll sue you". This was the latter, so I got to enjoy a few weeks in which my colleague desperately tried to shift blame my way, any way then tried to change history to say he'd always planned to 'share' the deal with me, just never got around to it so it's only fair if I took on half the loss (ha ha) also because before he upped sticks he used to work in my office and left under a cloud because another multimillion pound deal went to rat st because the asset (mining equipment in this case) turned out to be both financed by several funders as once, but also 'missing' so he wasn't enjoying the limelight too much.
In the end it did turn up, the rest of the story was almost legend in work, but supposedly it took some work, but the recovery team finally convinced Tracker that the car was legally ours again, and they started the business of repossessing it. If you're after a Transit or a Golf it's easy enough, you ask the keeper for the keys and anything else they have, it's in their interest because they're still liable for any shortfall after it's sold, but if they don't you drag it onto a recovery vehicle force entry later, sort out replacement keys or locks or whatever and hand it over to BCA like we did with all the normal end of lease vehicles. But as above, even dragging the thing onto a truck could cause huge amounts of expensive damage and it was really unclear who had the car at the time, or even if it was insured or whether they'd be prepared to hand over the keys to some hairy arsed bloke in High Vis just because they've got a bit of printed A4 paper saying they can take it. They did recover it, with the keys, but it was still a big loss.
This is were the story really becomes legend, supposedly they recovered it from Dunsfold, but only after it had completed a lap with the Stig, Top Gear has been trying to get a Veyron for a lap for ages, Bugatti had said no and given the costs for tyres etc who would want to lend them one, so whoever had hold of it at the time, lent it to Top Gear for a lap and it was repo'd shortly after. I know, because I spoke to one of the underwriters about the loss after words, just for the fun of it, that it came back with some light accident damage, and if you find the video on YT of the first TG lap with a Veyron, you'll notice a dent on the right side near the floor.
Oh, THAT'S where that damage came from, I always wondered that, spotted that dent straight away when it was on TV! Great story In 2007/8ish I was working in Asset Finance and was approached by one of my brokers to ask if we'd finance a Veyron, it took me about half a second to say "yes" - not only would a £1m lend, even at silly low rates earn me a decent lump of cash come bonus time, the Bank had a policy that we had to inspect every high end vehicle to make sure it existed and we weren't just lending a big pile of money against a reg number someone had spotted cruising past Harrods. So I'd get to go an see it, check the VIN number, something I'd done with dozens of super cars before and generally the dealers were lovely, let you sit in them etc even though they'd seen you'd turned up in a Honda Acord or something.
It all turned to rat s
t, the buyer was shopping around everywhere and had also approached one of my colleagues in another office to fund it directly, and not via my broker, a couple of days of my boss fighting with the boss of the other office, furiously exchanged e-mails 'proving' who had it first etc and I 'lost' ultimately it came down to the bosses' boss disliking Brokers and the entire Broker department (which he closed shortly after). My broker was furious, accused us of cutting him out, huge mess and I never got to see a Veyron in the flesh.Worked out for the best though, the 'buyer' was a little on the shady side to say the least... It was proposed to be a private purchase for the owner, but in actual fact it was going to be part of a Car Club fleet which changed the risk profile completely, then within weeks the Credit Crunch happened, Lehman's fell and the payments stopped. This was obviously Bad for my colleague (he he) but there's 'Bad' as in you might have to repo a Veyron, which if the now former owner wants to be a dick about it and refuse to hand over the key, special key and all the other assorted fripperies will mean a big loss when you some to sell and then there's "bad" as in the owner says "sorry, it's not my car it belongs to the club, I don't know where it is and if you want to chase me for the money, I'll sue you". This was the latter, so I got to enjoy a few weeks in which my colleague desperately tried to shift blame my way, any way then tried to change history to say he'd always planned to 'share' the deal with me, just never got around to it so it's only fair if I took on half the loss (ha ha) also because before he upped sticks he used to work in my office and left under a cloud because another multimillion pound deal went to rat s
t because the asset (mining equipment in this case) turned out to be both financed by several funders as once, but also 'missing' so he wasn't enjoying the limelight too much.In the end it did turn up, the rest of the story was almost legend in work, but supposedly it took some work, but the recovery team finally convinced Tracker that the car was legally ours again, and they started the business of repossessing it. If you're after a Transit or a Golf it's easy enough, you ask the keeper for the keys and anything else they have, it's in their interest because they're still liable for any shortfall after it's sold, but if they don't you drag it onto a recovery vehicle force entry later, sort out replacement keys or locks or whatever and hand it over to BCA like we did with all the normal end of lease vehicles. But as above, even dragging the thing onto a truck could cause huge amounts of expensive damage and it was really unclear who had the car at the time, or even if it was insured or whether they'd be prepared to hand over the keys to some hairy arsed bloke in High Vis just because they've got a bit of printed A4 paper saying they can take it. They did recover it, with the keys, but it was still a big loss.
This is were the story really becomes legend, supposedly they recovered it from Dunsfold, but only after it had completed a lap with the Stig, Top Gear has been trying to get a Veyron for a lap for ages, Bugatti had said no and given the costs for tyres etc who would want to lend them one, so whoever had hold of it at the time, lent it to Top Gear for a lap and it was repo'd shortly after. I know, because I spoke to one of the underwriters about the loss after words, just for the fun of it, that it came back with some light accident damage, and if you find the video on YT of the first TG lap with a Veyron, you'll notice a dent on the right side near the floor.
a true great
looks so much better in person, they are quite small and look really beautiful
not actually that heavy by modern standards - the new c63 will be heavier for example
at the time chris haris called the supersport the best car in the world
there's not much to dislike other than the servicing costs which was resolved with the Chiron
looks so much better in person, they are quite small and look really beautiful
not actually that heavy by modern standards - the new c63 will be heavier for example
at the time chris haris called the supersport the best car in the world
there's not much to dislike other than the servicing costs which was resolved with the Chiron
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Fun article. Many thanks.
I would be cautious about some of the internet myths about this car though. The one about the average owner having 83 other cars etc. Think about it. Do you think Bugatti asked every owner to fill out a form detailing their assets? Like they would....
I recall an interview in Evo with one of the top Bugatti chaps and he said that they vetted all potential customers - it was all about the brand image at the time and they wanted to protect and cultivate it by ensuring only the top 0.01% were seen in the then new Veyron. He mentioned a figure of something like 100m of provable assets before they'd discuss selling you a car and you had to fit the profile of what they wanted the typical Veyron buyer to be, so if you were Joe Public with a fresh 180m euromillions win you'd likely be politely declined.I would be cautious about some of the internet myths about this car though. The one about the average owner having 83 other cars etc. Think about it. Do you think Bugatti asked every owner to fill out a form detailing their assets? Like they would....
Dynam0humm said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Fun article. Many thanks.
I would be cautious about some of the internet myths about this car though. The one about the average owner having 83 other cars etc. Think about it. Do you think Bugatti asked every owner to fill out a form detailing their assets? Like they would....
I recall an interview in Evo with one of the top Bugatti chaps and he said that they vetted all potential customers - it was all about the brand image at the time and they wanted to protect and cultivate it by ensuring only the top 0.01% were seen in the then new Veyron. He mentioned a figure of something like 100m of provable assets before they'd discuss selling you a car and you had to fit the profile of what they wanted the typical Veyron buyer to be, so if you were Joe Public with a fresh 180m euromillions win you'd likely be politely declined.I would be cautious about some of the internet myths about this car though. The one about the average owner having 83 other cars etc. Think about it. Do you think Bugatti asked every owner to fill out a form detailing their assets? Like they would....
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