E5 99RON petrol prices
Discussion
Gilhooligan said:
Third time lucky trying to get super unleaded (car is remapped so don’t want to use normal stuff). Tesco out of stock, local Esso garage out of stock. Ended up going to motorway service and paid £1.559 for V power. Brutal.
Nasty, but not too bad. Its 153p/litre at my normal local Shell in Farnborough.Trackdayer said:
BP announces shortages...
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-23/hgv-driver-sho...
BBC reporting as well https://www.itv.com/news/2021-09-23/hgv-driver-sho...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58645712
Let the panic buying commence.
For 5 years I managed a transport team that provided fuel to petrol stations across various brands. Part of that included managing the sites themselves and making sure they have adequate fuel of all grades - but also making sure they didn't have too much of a slow seller, like Super Unleaded.
Typically, most sites would only stock around 4,000 litres of Super Unleaded at any one time (with the tank automatically cutting off at around 800 litres depending on tank size), which only leaves 3,200 litres to sell - usually a week or 2 for most sites - around 64 cars at 50L per tank which isn't many at all, but in most sites that was all the demand was. By comparison, our busiest sites would go through a whopping 72,000L of diesel per DAY, occasionally over 100,000L.
I imagine there is an increase in Super users from the recent E10 change (whether the change to super is necessary for most of these people is irrelevant), and while that change may only be 10 or 15 extra cars per day, given the low sales of Super in the first place that is actually a massive increase - they likely haven't ordered 'more' yet because that would mean losing a pot of diesel from their deliveries which is more important to them.
This, combined with the fact that there is a driver shortage, thus less frequent deliveries, is likely what's making such a big impact.
Typically, most sites would only stock around 4,000 litres of Super Unleaded at any one time (with the tank automatically cutting off at around 800 litres depending on tank size), which only leaves 3,200 litres to sell - usually a week or 2 for most sites - around 64 cars at 50L per tank which isn't many at all, but in most sites that was all the demand was. By comparison, our busiest sites would go through a whopping 72,000L of diesel per DAY, occasionally over 100,000L.
I imagine there is an increase in Super users from the recent E10 change (whether the change to super is necessary for most of these people is irrelevant), and while that change may only be 10 or 15 extra cars per day, given the low sales of Super in the first place that is actually a massive increase - they likely haven't ordered 'more' yet because that would mean losing a pot of diesel from their deliveries which is more important to them.
This, combined with the fact that there is a driver shortage, thus less frequent deliveries, is likely what's making such a big impact.
Edited by TREMAiNE on Thursday 23 September 18:09
Edited by TREMAiNE on Thursday 23 September 18:09
BP garage in the West Mids/Welsh Border area totally empty yesterday. Problem seems to be BP subcontracts its transport fleet and their supplier can't retain enough drivers. They ought to get independent oil distributors quiet with heating oil deliveries to help out, if only small diesel deliveries
Interesting video on Youtube by HGV driver saying the issues include poor treatment (not able to use loo/clean up at customer delivery points) and for supermarket, etc, deliveries they have to manually lift/roll very heavy pallets and push them off the trailer onto the dock, eg the delivery point staff do not go on the curtainside trailer to help. I don't blame him having to put up with that. CPC requirements seem to be a common complaint also. It's not just wages.
E10 has twice as much bioethanol as E5?
There are additives available, eg Millers EPS - £10 bottle treats 50 litres of E10 - anyone had experience of it?
Higher octane fuels, eg 97/98, have higher content of carcinogenic benzene (which you really don't want to breath in)?
Interesting video on Youtube by HGV driver saying the issues include poor treatment (not able to use loo/clean up at customer delivery points) and for supermarket, etc, deliveries they have to manually lift/roll very heavy pallets and push them off the trailer onto the dock, eg the delivery point staff do not go on the curtainside trailer to help. I don't blame him having to put up with that. CPC requirements seem to be a common complaint also. It's not just wages.
E10 has twice as much bioethanol as E5?
There are additives available, eg Millers EPS - £10 bottle treats 50 litres of E10 - anyone had experience of it?
Higher octane fuels, eg 97/98, have higher content of carcinogenic benzene (which you really don't want to breath in)?
Chris C2 said:
BP garage in the West Mids/Welsh Border area totally empty yesterday. Problem seems to be BP subcontracts its transport fleet and their supplier can't retain enough drivers. They ought to get independent oil distributors quiet with heating oil deliveries to help out, if only small diesel deliveries
Interesting video on Youtube by HGV driver saying the issues include poor treatment (not able to use loo/clean up at customer delivery points) and for supermarket, etc, deliveries they have to manually lift/roll very heavy pallets and push them off the trailer onto the dock, eg the delivery point staff do not go on the curtainside trailer to help. I don't blame him having to put up with that. CPC requirements seem to be a common complaint also. It's not just wages.
E10 has twice as much bioethanol as E5?
There are additives available, eg Millers EPS - £10 bottle treats 50 litres of E10 - anyone had experience of it?
Higher octane fuels, eg 97/98, have higher content of carcinogenic benzene (which you really don't want to breath in)?
E10 and E5 are just "maximum 10%" and "maximum 5%" ethanol respectively.Interesting video on Youtube by HGV driver saying the issues include poor treatment (not able to use loo/clean up at customer delivery points) and for supermarket, etc, deliveries they have to manually lift/roll very heavy pallets and push them off the trailer onto the dock, eg the delivery point staff do not go on the curtainside trailer to help. I don't blame him having to put up with that. CPC requirements seem to be a common complaint also. It's not just wages.
E10 has twice as much bioethanol as E5?
There are additives available, eg Millers EPS - £10 bottle treats 50 litres of E10 - anyone had experience of it?
Higher octane fuels, eg 97/98, have higher content of carcinogenic benzene (which you really don't want to breath in)?
In lots of the UK, Esso 99 (rated E5) has no ethanol, for example.
TREMAiNE said:
I imagine there is an increase in Super users from the recent E10 change (whether the change to super is necessary for most of these people is irrelevant),
I'm guilty of this. Since the start of the month I've been buying E5 Super via fuel cans for the strimmer, chainsaw and the mowers. I'm not sure if they will 'like' E10 and I don't want them sat with E10 in over the winter layup.Likewise I've now put E5 Super in my motorcycle, again it'll be laid up for winter by roughly the end of this month and again I think it will be better to have the lower content ethanol unleaded in it than this new E10 stuff.
Only 97 petrol at my local BP garage (Orpington Kent)..
All diesel pumps locked off and staff said they have no idea when next delivery is.
Texaco nearby has diesel and petrol but queues starting..
Wife's Aygo is full so I could get 2 weeks commuting from that,Alfa v6 is a thirsty old barge so that can rest for the time being.
All diesel pumps locked off and staff said they have no idea when next delivery is.
Texaco nearby has diesel and petrol but queues starting..
Wife's Aygo is full so I could get 2 weeks commuting from that,Alfa v6 is a thirsty old barge so that can rest for the time being.
Haltamer said:
BP Shortage has been doing the rounds on facebook & BBC News - Panic buying time soon 
Cue amusement from- diesel owners whose cars go for yonks between fills, until they run low
- electric car owners until they realise the price of electricity is about to change radically.
I got some fuel earlier this evening as I got a few longer trips to do over the weekend and the petrol station I used was a lot busier then usual. I drove past another one as I wanted to use a near by shop and that seemed to be quite busy too so I guess people are already starting to fill their cars right up in case more forecourts get closed off.
I use Tesco Momentum 99RON in both of my cars because the manufacturer recommends 98RON "whenever possible".
It cost £1.409 per litre last time I was there which is much cheaper than Esso/Shell/BP sell their Super-plus for!
But a couple of times in the last month I have noticed they had no diesel - shame.
It cost £1.409 per litre last time I was there which is much cheaper than Esso/Shell/BP sell their Super-plus for!
But a couple of times in the last month I have noticed they had no diesel - shame.
J4CKO said:
Hmm, wonder if this is all contrived to get us all to lose weight, drive EV's and get ground source heat pump heating 
Wonder if this is all contrived to create uncertainty, which gives opportunity to raise prices across the board, which increases profits...Call me a cynic, but this is how business operates.
The BBC (big brother corporation) at it again, plugging their scare stories, fear campaigns, thriving on misery and doom…
What they cover up, is a lot of lorry drivers were Self employed or their own limited company Director. Their end client forcing them under new IR35 “rules” deeming them to be employed. It’s forced many to early retire or just go do something else. That’s not the only industry either. Mines construction and it’s happening here on a massive scale.
To top it all, they hike employer and employee NI up ( incidentally the contractor inside IR35 has to pay both)
The government think they’re being clever. They’re just blatantly stupid as they don’t consider the consequences and know nothing about how business works.
Just like the energy crisis they themselves have created, by pacifying the eco nazis closing power stations and limiting gas and oil, therefore not having a sensible energy mix to be free to use when required. Total clowns.😄
What they cover up, is a lot of lorry drivers were Self employed or their own limited company Director. Their end client forcing them under new IR35 “rules” deeming them to be employed. It’s forced many to early retire or just go do something else. That’s not the only industry either. Mines construction and it’s happening here on a massive scale.
To top it all, they hike employer and employee NI up ( incidentally the contractor inside IR35 has to pay both)
The government think they’re being clever. They’re just blatantly stupid as they don’t consider the consequences and know nothing about how business works.
Just like the energy crisis they themselves have created, by pacifying the eco nazis closing power stations and limiting gas and oil, therefore not having a sensible energy mix to be free to use when required. Total clowns.😄
Court_S said:
Didn’t have any issue getting fuel yesterday (wonder how different that’ll be now the press are reporting BP rationing deliveries etc).
I’ve noticed that the difference in price between unleaded and super has jumped a fair bit; it was 16p a litre more at the Esso near the office.
My local tesco filling station is queueing round the block at the momentI’ve noticed that the difference in price between unleaded and super has jumped a fair bit; it was 16p a litre more at the Esso near the office.
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