RE: New Honda Civic Type R first look | PH Footnote

[VR6 Eug]

It's much better to look at than the last one, I'd imagine it will sell well and be at the top of the hot hatch pile as a drivers car because Honda CTR are usually the best drivers hot hatches.

[Koolkat969]

RaineyDays said:

Are Honda going to do a Toyota and have a limited production run ala GR Yaris / GR86?

I would think so based on recent past history with the FN2, FK2 and FK8 and not to mention the Mugen collaborations of the past, though those usually seem limited to the Japanese market.

[DanielSan]

Koolkat969 said:

RaineyDays said:

Are Honda going to do a Toyota and have a limited production run ala GR Yaris / GR86?

I would think so based on recent past history with the FN2, FK2 and FK8 and not to mention the Mugen collaborations of the past, though those usually seem limited to the Japanese market.

They're more often than not an end of the line car if they're done by Honda so it won't be for a while. Depressingly Mugen seem to mostly make terrible body kits now with a few basic, massively overpriced bolt ons also in the catalogue. Their last car you could buy was the JDM only FD2 Mugen RR/UK only FN2 M20.

[partyy_pop123]

Koolkat969 said:

partyy_pop123 said:

Three pipes in the centre works on a supercar (think 458 Italia) on a hot hatch, specifically a Honda, I`m not entirely convinced. Think I`d have a MK8 GTI over this, looks classier, has the heritage and would be a more attractive proposition on a day to day basis.

I agree. Never been a fan of the Three pipe set-up however, i understand the reasons behind it.

I do prefer this FL5 shape to the FK2 and FK8 but i prefer the twin exhaust pipes set-up of the FK2.

I second this, the twin exhaust set up just works, its also a cleaner more symmetrical look in my opinion, at least Honda is using `proper` pipes have you seen the god awful fake vents on new Audis saw an SQ5 the other day, looks okay but the fake exhaust ruins it for me.

[Koolkat969]

DanielSan said:

They're more often than not an end of the line car if they're done by Honda so it won't be for a while. Depressingly Mugen seem to mostly make terrible body kits now with a few basic, massively overpriced bolt ons also in the catalogue. Their last car you could buy was the JDM only FD2 Mugen RR/UK only FN2 M20.

I agree. Usually an end of the line with quite a huge premium over standard that only ends up in the hands of collectors anyway and rarely to be seen out and about.

As for Mugen, indeed their design can be quite peculiar and not to everyone's taste.

[Koolkat969]

partyy_pop123 said:

I second this, the twin exhaust set up just works, its also a cleaner more symmetrical look in my opinion, at least Honda is using `proper` pipes have you seen the god awful fake vents on new Audis saw an SQ5 the other day, looks okay but the fake exhaust ruins it for me.

To be fair, that would be the Milltek system on the back of that so most likely slightly wider than standard.

[Water Fairy]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

Water Fairy said:

If it only had 3 doors they would sell even less

If they had a 5 door and a 3 door option they might sell even more.

Doubtful as the car is now so big a 3 door would just look wrong.

[st33ly]

My deposit on one is hoping for <£40k. Less fecking tax. God knows we pay enough as it is. Remember in 2003 the EP3 type R was £16995 plus £1000 if you wanted AC. &#128514;

[LuS1fer]

st33ly said:

My deposit on one is hoping for <£40k. Less fecking tax. God knows we pay enough as it is. Remember in 2003 the EP3 type R was £16995 plus £1000 if you wanted AC. ??

I bought a new pre reg in 2004 with AC for £16k.

[spikyone]

RaineyDays said:

Are Honda going to do a Toyota and have a limited production run ala GR Yaris / GR86?

Neither of those cars are limited production runs. The UK's allocation of Yaris sold out for the foreseeable future - they're just selling them faster than they can build. The GR86 won't meet European safety regulations in a couple of years and they've sold as many as they can build.

[mrclav]

spikyone said:

Yes, all relative, and I very much prefer the FK8. The white one in the pics doesn't look special at all to my eyes, the blue one is a big improvement. Not a patch on the yellow Limited Edition FK8 though!

That is utterly, hideously, goppingly fugly.

Looks, quite literally, like a gundam on wheels.

[jwwbowe]

Looks brilliant IMO, huge improvement over the last one and all it’s fake vents. Interior looks the business to. Well done Honda

Hopefully they make enough so that you can actually order one at your dealer have it turn up in a reasonable amount of time and not have to pay £ks over the RRP, seems like a normal thing to ask but who knows in this bonkers world now.

[DVR V8]

mrclav said:

That is utterly, hideously, goppingly fugly.

Looks, quite literally, like a gundam on wheels.

So to be consistent the new Toyota Corolla GR is equally ugly with fake vents and triple exhaust?

[doogle83]

mrclav said:

spikyone said:

Yes, all relative, and I very much prefer the FK8. The white one in the pics doesn't look special at all to my eyes, the blue one is a big improvement. Not a patch on the yellow Limited Edition FK8 though!

That is utterly, hideously, goppingly fugly.

Looks, quite literally, like a gundam on wheels.

I'm with spikyone! it's a funny old world ey!

[LuS1fer]

I've probably posted this already but take the Citroen Ami from the 70s. Goppingly ugly yet now far more interesting than most forgettable contemporaries.

In twenty years time, the FK8 will be more notable for its excesses, like the Subarus and Evos. This is suave but probably forgettable.

[driftingphil]

Was looking at an Lotus Emira or Toyota Supra (manual) for my next car but now this has got me thinking, would they really be more fun and special than this new type r..

[jorders500]

Looks great but it’s not what I’d call a hot hatch. To me, that means something Golf sized or smaller. This car looks 3 Series size, more like a hot saloon than a hot hatch.

[ducnick]

Portofino said:

Koolkat969 said:

partyy_pop123 said:

Three pipes in the centre works on a supercar (think 458 Italia) on a hot hatch, specifically a Honda, I`m not entirely convinced. Think I`d have a MK8 GTI over this, looks classier, has the heritage and would be a more attractive proposition on a day to day basis.

I agree. Never been a fan of the Three pipe set-up however, i understand the reasons behind it.

I do prefer this FL5 shape to the FK2 and FK8 but i prefer the twin exhaust pipes set-up of the FK2.

What are the reasons for three pipes, genuine question?

Ferrari started it with the f40. The two outer pipes are for each bank of the v8, the centre one is for the turbo waste gate. They revisited this setup on newer mid engined turbocharged V engined cars.
It makes zero sense on a front engined car with a small inline 4 cylinder engine. It will just be a bit of exhaust trim bolted onto the single pipe that runs the length of the car.

[nismo48]

Maxym said:

Far more appealing to me than the FK8 which looked ridiculous. I’d seriously like one but I’d have to ditch the black alloys.

+1

[biggbn]

doogle83 said:

mrclav said:

spikyone said:

Yes, all relative, and I very much prefer the FK8. The white one in the pics doesn't look special at all to my eyes, the blue one is a big improvement. Not a patch on the yellow Limited Edition FK8 though!

That is utterly, hideously, goppingly fugly.

Looks, quite literally, like a gundam on wheels.

I'm with spikyone! it's a funny old world ey!

Now that's a type r, I'd have that every day of the week and twice on Sundays over this new model