RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review

[WestyCarl]

I can see it's apeal to some, big tough versatile vehicle.

However I think it's realibility is what will make or break it. It it's bullet proof and gets a reputation for this, I can see it being a sucess in the long term, if not then I struggle to see it being sucessful.

[_Rodders_]

Arsecati said:

This is actually a serious question, but can anyone explain to me what all the Brexit/Farage comments are about? Is this car not built in Austria with a German engine? I don't get it - what am I missing? (I'm not based in the UK by the way - we can only enjoy the Brexit spectacle from afar!).

It's a joke because Ratcliffe was staunch Brexit then promptly fked off when it suited him financially.

[Honeywell]

Pflanzgarten said:

I've never met a skint farmer yet!

Farm land prices have never been higher. All the billionaires have been buying like crazy. Just owning my farmland earns me 3 times more every year in capital appreciation than I can make from farming it.

But, yes, you';ll never ever hear a farmer saying business is fine, the weather is OK and he's doing nicely. Ever.


https://rural.struttandparker.com/article/english-...

[bobo79]

LOL. Nope.

Tragic stuff all round. You can practically smell the odour of stale ale and UKIP issue piss-smelling tweed. No thanks.

[bobo79]

Honeywell said:

Farm land prices have never been higher. All the billionaires have been buying like crazy. Just owning my farmland earns me 3 times more every year in capital appreciation than I can make from farming it.

But, yes, you';ll never ever hear a farmer saying business is fine, the weather is OK and he's doing nicely. Ever.


https://rural.struttandparker.com/article/english-...

Indeed, farm land is a great way of avoiding inheritance tax. Hence actual farmers getting priced out of the market by tax dodgers like James Dyson.

[thecremeegg]

Mark_Blanchard said:

Another French car, no thanks. Now if it had been built in Wales and cost half the prices at £35,000, then a big yes.

You know that even an Astra is £35k nowadays right?

[_Rodders_]

dunnoreally said:

Pflanzgarten said:

I've never met a skint farmer yet!

Speaking as a land agent, I know plenty. Believe me, I do some of their business planning.

Cumbrian sheep farmers round my dad's way either don't have much wealth or are very good at not flaunting it.

Edited by _Rodders_ on Wednesday 8th February 09:48

[Sulphur Man]

The commercial success of this car hinges, to a large extent, on how it looks murdered out, trundling down the Brompton Road, or pavement-parked in Alderley Edge

[British Beef]

Will this be purchased by any military forces I wonder?

I prefer the looks and styling of the Defender 110, different strokes for different folks!

[Honeywell]

Mammasaid said:

It's not going to be sold to NGOs as there's not the infrastructure around set-up, servicing and repair like the Land Cruiser/Hilux has. See this article about Toyota's Gibraltar operation;

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/inside-...

Oh, and the military aren't going to buy them, not since the uptake in use of IEDs, they need something with a V shaped underside like the Jackal.



I wish it well, but can't see the market over a few wealthy individuals.

BMW is a globally well supplied spares chain. The military don't need not want EVERY vehicle to be landmine safe or armoured. Every base I have ever been on is littered with Defenders doing various roles - none of which needed armour or IED resistance.

[clemmo]

I’ve followed this from inception. Always fancied one. I got impatient waiting so I ordered a Defender. I’ve been in it 6 months and It’s an amazing car. What’s more it’s still worth more than I paid. Now I know this won’t last but I just can’t see me swapping out for the Grenadier…I can’t see a single advantage

[Honeywell]

bobo79 said:

Indeed, farm land is a great way of avoiding inheritance tax. Hence actual farmers getting priced out of the market by tax dodgers like James Dyson.

James Dyson worked for decades on farms and his interest in farming is extreme. What he is doing with the farmland he has bought is genuinely innovative and exciting.

Perhaps you don't know much about him.

[SeekerOfTruthAndPies]

I think this will appeal to a niche market of people that really want to have one and will love it, while most of the general public will stick with established brands. As said previously, I can't see this being bought by any Govt. organisations/NGOs etc. due to the lack of infrastructure re. dealers and servicing etc.

[_Rodders_]

Sulphur Man said:

The commercial success of this car hinges, to a large extent, on how it looks murdered out, trundling down the Brompton Road, or pavement-parked in Alderley Edge

Problem is Mercedes already sussed that and made the 'new' G so much better on road.

Maybe the Grenadier is the Boxster to Mercedes 911.

I can't see it passing the yummy mummy test if said YM is coming from a modern Monocoque equipped road car.

Did I read it doesn't even have heated seats

[bobo79]

Honeywell said:

James Dyson worked for decades on farms and his interest in farming is extreme. What he is doing with the farmland he has bought is genuinely innovative and exciting.

Perhaps you don't know much about him.

I literally work with his son (and went to his wedding).

His interest as a hobbiest in agriculture is in no way proportional to his position as one of the very largest private land owners in the UK. It is, however proportional to his interest in avoiding paying tax.

Edited by bobo79 on Wednesday 8th February 09:55

Edited by bobo79 on Wednesday 8th February 09:56

[Honeywell]

_Rodders_ said:

It's a joke because Ratcliffe was staunch Brexit then promptly fked off when it suited him financially.

Richard Branson was vocally opposed to Brexit and he was already a tax exile. I really don't see the two as particularly connected. Since 2016 Ineos has increased its investment in the UK, increased its headcount in the UK and increased its corporation tax payments in the UK.

Personally I wish we had more sensible tax arrangement for the Jim Ratcliffe and Lews Hamilton of this country because driving them to Monaco or Switzerland doesn't appear in any way to help pay our NHS bills...

[SuperNiceBig]

Somebody warn me if we get a review from an aftermarket car company that has bespokely modified a Grenadier, not sure I want to see that.
Pig in lipstick...................

[_Rodders_]

Honeywell said:

_Rodders_ said:

It's a joke because Ratcliffe was staunch Brexit then promptly fked off when it suited him financially.

Richard Branson was vocally opposed to Brexit and he was already a tax exile. I really don't see the two as particularly connected. Since 2016 Ineos has increased its investment in the UK, increased its headcount in the UK and increased its corporation tax payments in the UK.

Personally I wish we had more sensible tax arrangement for the Jim Ratcliffe and Lews Hamilton of this country because driving them to Monaco or Switzerland doesn't appear in any way to help pay our NHS bills...

You must be able to see how funny it is to the casual observer that his face was in the media almost weekly campaigning for Brexit then almost immediate after Brexit he announced his big new car project was going to be built in the EU.

[wyson]

loveice said:

You guys often forget the world is much bigger than the British isles… Sure most people in Britain either don’t get it or hate it because it’s “footnote in history”. There’re plenty of cars/trucks are even sold in the UK or West Europe, but are sold quite well in the rest of the world, eg. North America, Asia, Middle East, Australia, even Africa.

It’s for people who want ladder chassis, solid axles, mechanical diff locks and boxy/utility styling. And there’s huge market for this type of off-roaders outside West Europe. Why do they want it? Who cares… It’s their wish!

The serious overlanders fit lift kits. The wheel articulation on really gnarly terrain is incredible, the suspension looks broken, like its about to sheer off the vehicle. Independent suspension can only be lifted so much in comparison.

[Honeywell]

bobo79 said:

I literally work with his son (and went to his wedding).

His interest as a hobbiest in agriculture is in no way proportional to his position as one of the very largest private land owners in the UK. It is, however proportional to his interest in avoiding paying tax.

Edited by bobo79 on Wednesday 8th February 09:55

Edited by bobo79 on Wednesday 8th February 09:56

If he wanted to avoid all inheritance tax he has many many ways of doing that easier than buying farmland. He could just go Non-Dom or exile himself. I think you are being unfair and what Dyson is doing with his technology park and in locating all the IP for Dyson in the UK is amazing. Of course you get the Remainers and the Lefties who just hate a Brexit supporting self made billionaire because they personalise everything but it's rather facile. I was explaining to my first officer just yesterday afternoon as Dysons Sirkorsky S76 took off ahead of us that the guys started by inventing a wheelbarrow with a ball instead of wheel and how he used to service the belts on potato washing machines in Lincolnshire for a job. That was just one of his two S76's taking off.

Well played that man, well played and thank you.

Ditto Jim Ratcliffe. Humble normal backgrounds, now billionaires. I'm American in my outlook on that.