RE: 2023 McLaren 750S | PH Review

[br d]

RSbandit said:

br d said:

This is roughly my spec. The configurator doesn't have my MSO colour so this is the nearest I can get, and the louvres should be CF black, it won't le me do that either.

V nice Brad! Looks Volcano Red? I see your old 720S is with Alaistair Bols what a lovely example!

Thanks man.
Yeah, should be volcano red but the configurator doesn't have that, this is Amarith red or something like that, it's nearly there but the VR is a bit nicer IMO.
When I went to spec I had two entirely different colours in mind but there was a volcano red 720 sitting in the showroom, I went "Woah! That!"

[NGK210]

br d said:

Out of interest, what's prompting you to say this?
I've had issues with the cars certainly but which dealers are being impolite or discourteous at the point of sale?

Naming and shaming incurs PH censor.
Liaised with only two, but both seem to think warranty is an honour and bumptiousness is a life skill.
Both are in the hinterland between Hadrian’s Wall and Highgate.
Speaking of warranty: anyone know if the factory annual renewable version is worthwhile or is it riddled with get-outs?

[Wheelspinning]

NGK210 said:

br d said:

Out of interest, what's prompting you to say this?
I've had issues with the cars certainly but which dealers are being impolite or discourteous at the point of sale?

Naming and shaming incurs PH censor.
Liaised with only two, but both seem to think warranty is an honour and bumptiousness is a life skill.
Both are in the hinterland between Hadrian’s Wall and Highgate.
Speaking of warranty: anyone know if the factory annual renewable version is worthwhile or is it riddled with get-outs?

That's a fantastic spec br d.

We only have one dealer up here and they have been great to deal with over the last 4-5 years.

The extended warranty isn't factory, its a third party...car plan or something, and it's pretty comprehensive.

[NGK210]

Wheelspinning said:

NGK210 said:

br d said:

Out of interest, what's prompting you to say this?
…Which dealers are being impolite or discourteous…?

Naming and shaming incurs PH censor.
….
Both are in the hinterland between Hadrian’s Wall and Highgate.
…

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We only have one dealer up here and they have been great to deal with over the last 4-5 years.
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Are you referring to the dealership experience north of Hadrian’s Wall?

[jayemm89]

I'm not in love with the exhaust of the 750S, although it feels more disappointing things like the roof glass have been quietly dropped.

[Mackofthejungle]

LotusOmega375D said:

Don’t understand the comparison with the MC20. This has an extra 130bhp and costs about £60k more, so a whole market sector up.

It's not really though. It's a cheap remap away from being equal on power if that's your bag....but for most people actually buying these does the power figure actually matter? The Maserati looks better, sounds better and by all accounts drives beautifully.

Money no object, I reckon most people take the MC20.

[De Tomaso]

Looks like the other McLarens.

I'll take a road modified/registered Zonda R instead even if it lacks 13 years of electronic wizardry. Thanks.

[Ray_Aber]

The 720s looks like no other car. No other McLaren looks like a 720s.

A gorgeous looking thing, even if I still find the light area slightly jarring.

The blue spyder with the silver wheels is gorgeous.

[Olivera]

Stupendously fast and capable, but the McLaren super series cars have always struck me as a bit of a 'pensioner's express'. Auto box, auto ESP, auto TC, auto self levelling suspension, auto torque vectoring diff and so on.

[br d]

Mackofthejungle said:

It's not really though. It's a cheap remap away from being equal on power if that's your bag....but for most people actually buying these does the power figure actually matter? The Maserati looks better, sounds better and by all accounts drives beautifully.

Money no object, I reckon most people take the MC20.

I watched Harry's Garage review of the MC20 and I trust his opinion, looks wise it's drop dead gorgeous but there were certainly issues with weight and performance. Although I appreciate that at this level any criticisms are purely subjective.
I'm a sample of one admittedly but the 750S gets my money all day long and I do think the power figures actually matter. Once the thrill of just getting in the thing dampens down then how it feels when you floor it is everything. And who wants to start remapping a 300K car?

The MC20 is a beautiful thing no doubt, and massive kudos from me for anyone who owns one.

Edited by br d on Monday 20th November 11:24

[br d]

Olivera said:

Stupendously fast and capable, but the McLaren super series cars have always struck me as a bit of a 'pensioner's express'. Auto box, auto ESP, auto TC, auto self levelling suspension, auto torque vectoring diff and so on.

I'm no expert but how does all that differ from any other modern supercar?
You can turn off the ESP if you're mental enough and the box has manual, you can also set it in Track and everything nutters up to 11. I'm struggling to see how a Mclaren feels "Pensioner".

[CTE]

There`s a bunch of Mc haters and those who can only dream, making such comments... also everyone has different tastes and derives pleasure in different ways... for me all Mc`s are the best, but others the exhaust tone is the icing on the cake...

Pointless chipping any of these cars because the tyres only have so much grip and the cars already have way more torque than they can cope with below 3 figure speeds.

[Olivera]

br d said:

I'm no expert but how does all that differ from any other modern supercar?
You can turn off the ESP if you're mental enough and the box has manual, you can also set it in Track and everything nutters up to 11. I'm struggling to see how a Mclaren feels "Pensioner".

It differs because the McLaren Super Series has taken things even more auto with regards to the suspension - it doesn't have conventional springs or dampers but hydraulically interlinked ECU controlled self levelling suspension. They same with the rear differential, it's not a conventional LSD but an open diff that's auto ECU controlled. Every single facet of the car is auto and far removed from a conventional driver's car. This of course makes it ballistically fast, but in a way that your nan could do it.

[NGK210]

br d said:

…Harry's Garage … MC20 … I trust his opinion … there were certainly issues with weight…

Genuinely interested:
Can someone please explain how/why the all-carbonfibre 2WD 2-seat MC20, powered by a relatively lightweight V6 turbo, weighs 1700kg DIN? (Which, obvs, is c.230kg heavier than a 750S.)

[E90_M3Ross]

Olivera said:

Stupendously fast and capable, but the McLaren super series cars have always struck me as a bit of a 'pensioner's express'. Auto box, auto ESP, auto TC, auto self levelling suspension, auto torque vectoring diff and so on.

[WPA]

br d said:

Mackofthejungle said:

It's not really though. It's a cheap remap away from being equal on power if that's your bag....but for most people actually buying these does the power figure actually matter? The Maserati looks better, sounds better and by all accounts drives beautifully.

Money no object, I reckon most people take the MC20.

I watched Harry's Garage review of the MC20 and I trust his opinion, looks wise it's drop dead gorgeous but there were certainly issues with weight and performance. Although I appreciate that at this level any criticisms are purely subjective.
I'm a sample of one admittedly but the 750S gets my money all day long and I do think the power figures actually matter. Once the thrill of just getting in the thing dampens down then how it feels when you floor it is everything. And who wants to start remapping a 300K car?

The MC20 is a beautiful thing no doubt, and massive kudos from me for anyone who owns one.

Edited by br d on Monday 20th November 11:24

Also for me the MC20 struggles to make sense when it has so little luggage space.

[911Spanker]

De Tomaso said:

Looks like the other McLarens.

I'll take a road modified/registered Zonda R instead even if it lacks 13 years of electronic wizardry. Thanks.

Same here or I would go for a McLaren F1 instead.

[br d]

Olivera said:

br d said:

I'm no expert but how does all that differ from any other modern supercar?
You can turn off the ESP if you're mental enough and the box has manual, you can also set it in Track and everything nutters up to 11. I'm struggling to see how a Mclaren feels "Pensioner".

It differs because the McLaren Super Series has taken things even more auto with regards to the suspension - it doesn't have conventional springs or dampers but hydraulically interlinked ECU controlled self levelling suspension. They same with the rear differential, it's not a conventional LSD but an open diff that's auto ECU controlled. Every single facet of the car is auto and far removed from a conventional driver's car. This of course makes it ballistically fast, but in a way that your nan could do it.

Yep, your Nan could drive it.
And after she drove it, did you ask her how it felt?

I honestly don't get your point here, you appear to be saying that because the 720 employs some suspension wizardry it relegates it to a car for the over 65's. Have you driven one?

[br d]

NGK210 said:

br d said:

…Harry's Garage … MC20 … I trust his opinion … there were certainly issues with weight…

Genuinely interested:
Can someone please explain how/why the all-carbonfibre 2WD 2-seat MC20, powered by a relatively lightweight V6 turbo, weighs 1700kg DIN? (Which, obvs, is c.230kg heavier than a 750S.)

I'd love to engage mate but after all your selective post cutting I don't know whether we agree or disagree!

[NGK210]

br d said:

NGK210 said:

br d said:

…Harry's Garage … MC20 … I trust his opinion … there were certainly issues with weight…

Genuinely interested:
Can someone please explain how/why the all-carbonfibre 2WD 2-seat MC20, powered by a relatively lightweight V6 turbo, weighs 1700kg DIN? (Which, obvs, is c.230kg heavier than a 750S.)

I'd love to engage mate but after all your selective post cutting I don't know whether we agree or disagree!

Merely for brevity and to focus on the weight issue, which I genuinely find bewildering / illogical.