RE: Very fast Vauxhalls | Six of the Best
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wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!Pickle_Party_247 said:
wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!Equus said:
We're in agreement that it's a Vauxhall, then.
They effectively bored out and bolted on a turbocharger and 6-speed box to the engine, then tweaked the suspension and brakes and added a bit of cosmetic tat to the Cartlon GSi 24 valve.
It's the sort of tuning that you could reasonably expect as an aftermarket package, to be honest, and as I understand it they did indeed do it by taking completed cars off the GM (Opel, as it happens) production line and shipping them to Hethel for modification.
The GSi 24V was a surprisingly good car in its own right - I owned one, back in the day.
In fairness to the VX220, the Elise is hardly immune to osmosis...
I was extremely disappointed when I test drove a Carlton GSI 24V.They effectively bored out and bolted on a turbocharger and 6-speed box to the engine, then tweaked the suspension and brakes and added a bit of cosmetic tat to the Cartlon GSi 24 valve.
It's the sort of tuning that you could reasonably expect as an aftermarket package, to be honest, and as I understand it they did indeed do it by taking completed cars off the GM (Opel, as it happens) production line and shipping them to Hethel for modification.
The GSi 24V was a surprisingly good car in its own right - I owned one, back in the day.
In fairness to the VX220, the Elise is hardly immune to osmosis...
Equus said:
Roberty said:
Where as the Carlton is a Vauxhall that was comprehensively modified and optimised by Lotus.
We're in agreement that it's a Vauxhall, then. They effectively bored out and bolted on a turbocharger and 6-speed box to the engine, then tweaked the suspension and brakes and added a bit of cosmetic tat to the Cartlon GSi 24 valve.
It's the sort of tuning that you could reasonably expect as an aftermarket package, to be honest, and as I understand it they did indeed do it by taking completed cars off the GM (Opel, as it happens) production line and shipping them to Hethel for modification.
The GSi 24V was a surprisingly good car in its own right - I owned one, back in the day.
In fairness to the VX220, the Elise is hardly immune to osmosis...
It's still a Lotus - Type 109
Legacywr said:
Equus said:
We're in agreement that it's a Vauxhall, then.
They effectively bored out and bolted on a turbocharger and 6-speed box to the engine, then tweaked the suspension and brakes and added a bit of cosmetic tat to the Cartlon GSi 24 valve.
It's the sort of tuning that you could reasonably expect as an aftermarket package, to be honest, and as I understand it they did indeed do it by taking completed cars off the GM (Opel, as it happens) production line and shipping them to Hethel for modification.
The GSi 24V was a surprisingly good car in its own right - I owned one, back in the day.
In fairness to the VX220, the Elise is hardly immune to osmosis...
I was extremely disappointed when I test drove a Carlton GSI 24V.They effectively bored out and bolted on a turbocharger and 6-speed box to the engine, then tweaked the suspension and brakes and added a bit of cosmetic tat to the Cartlon GSi 24 valve.
It's the sort of tuning that you could reasonably expect as an aftermarket package, to be honest, and as I understand it they did indeed do it by taking completed cars off the GM (Opel, as it happens) production line and shipping them to Hethel for modification.
The GSi 24V was a surprisingly good car in its own right - I owned one, back in the day.
In fairness to the VX220, the Elise is hardly immune to osmosis...
wormus said:
Pickle_Party_247 said:
wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!It's ok to go your own way and prefer your Holden/Vauxhall just as it's ok for the rest of us to say we'd rather the superior M5.
Pickle_Party_247 said:
wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!
t...and your point is?mcpoot said:
wormus said:
Pickle_Party_247 said:
wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!It's ok to go your own way and prefer your Holden/Vauxhall just as it's ok for the rest of us to say we'd rather the superior M5.
mcpoot said:
wormus said:
Pickle_Party_247 said:
wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!It's ok to go your own way and prefer your Holden/Vauxhall just as it's ok for the rest of us to say we'd rather the superior M5.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 19th November 19:44
Roberty said:
Equus said:
Neil1323bolts said:
Well there’s a can of worms , but I would say the vx220 is more lotus than Vauxhall, for me it’s a lotus with a Vauxhall engine...
And Vauxhall badges, and Vauxhall identity on the V5. But yes, I agree that it's got more Lotus DNA than the Carlton... yet Lotus owners seem to disparage the VX220, yet celebrate the Carlton. Go figure.
The VX is a piss poor Elise based mongrel. With compromised handling due to the 17” wheels all round, shoddy build quality, a lazy engine and a propensity to suffer delaminating bodywork through Osmosis. It’s no Elise.
Where as the Carlton is a Vauxhall that was comprehensively modified and optimised by Lotus.
wormus said:
mcpoot said:
wormus said:
Pickle_Party_247 said:
wormus said:
Not really, it’s a thread about fast Vauxhalls and the fact is that GTS is priced correctly. BMW fan boys would buy an M5 instead but it’s largely irrelevant as the sort of person who’d buy the Vauxhall wouldn’t choose a BMW.
The real point is that the vast vast majority of people who have £50k to drop on something fast won't be buying a Vauxhall!!It's ok to go your own way and prefer your Holden/Vauxhall just as it's ok for the rest of us to say we'd rather the superior M5.
Edited by wormus on Sunday 19th November 19:44
j_s14a said:
Is there a worse car than an Insignia? I'm not sure there is.
Then you haven’t driven many cars.Insignia is fine. It won’t set the world on fire but as a cheap way to lug you and your crap up and down the motorway and do family chores, it’s a perfectly sensible choice that should prove reliable, comfortable and cheap to run.
It's a bit weird that people try to say that certain cars aren't Vauxhalls. They might have been based on other stuff, but they've got Vauxhall badges on them and were sold in Vauxhall dealers, so that is basically that.
A shame that the brand seems to have given up on making interesting cars. While not always class leaders, sporty Vauxhalls have been a pretty important part of the car world over the last few decades, so it's sad that they're no longer a thing.
A shame that the brand seems to have given up on making interesting cars. While not always class leaders, sporty Vauxhalls have been a pretty important part of the car world over the last few decades, so it's sad that they're no longer a thing.
Criticising Vauxhall for doing badge jobs is a bit odd considering they are Opel in Germany and companies like VW have morphed into masters of this. Also, two magnificent entries, the Monaro and the VXR turning out nearly 1000bhp between them.... WNTL.
he GTS-R with 600bhp and TG managing to ake off in 5th gear because of the mountain of torque. Manual box too. E63-S is faster but no manual.
Apart from the Zafira which is really pushing a point well beyond reality, that is a cracking line up.
Other contenders surely, the Lotus Carlton, Astra VXR or even the Vectra V6, or an V6 Omega Limo, worthier entrants. Keeps the family man happy I suppose.
Those are all sleepers and great value considering.
he GTS-R with 600bhp and TG managing to ake off in 5th gear because of the mountain of torque. Manual box too. E63-S is faster but no manual.
Apart from the Zafira which is really pushing a point well beyond reality, that is a cracking line up.
Other contenders surely, the Lotus Carlton, Astra VXR or even the Vectra V6, or an V6 Omega Limo, worthier entrants. Keeps the family man happy I suppose.
Those are all sleepers and great value considering.
Edited by smilo996 on Monday 20th November 09:15
Mr Tidy said:
Sley said:
Was really hoping for some reference to the HS chevette..
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