Tuner fined for pop and bang map & decat fitting

[halo34]

Heaveho said:

That the actual emissions without a cat fitted are still within legal limits. What's yours?

That its illegal - its quite simple. If you want to prove a pedantic point then fair enough you get a point here.

Regardless, removing a DPF/CAT or otherwise is illegal and should be an MOT fail.

[J4CKO]

Fastdruid said:

Heaveho said:

Fastdruid said:

But they're not.

They pass the MOT test which is a very very basic test to see if the cars emission systems are vaguely working.

The actual law is that its illegal to drive on the road a vehicle that has been modified so it no longer passes the type approval emissions tests that it was designed for.

Unless you're claiming that you've taken your car to a type approval testing centre and had them take it through the NEDC test and it's still passed. No, it's not still within legal limits.

You do like your pedantic extremism don't you?

I feel I should add here that I'm actually more annoyed by people claiming it's legal "because it passes the MOT" than I am by people actually doing a decat[1]. At least have the balls to own up to it being antisocial, immoral and obnoxious rather than claim it's legal.

[1] Although that's for petrol vehicles, if I was World Dictator there would be an edict to properly test diesels at the MOT and immediately crush any without a functional dpf.

So, destroy a working vehicle rather than ensuring the owner has it fixed ? Seems a bit draconian and not very eco freindly.

Its all moot really, just saw a Virgin A330 go over on its way to Barbados, on the way it will burn 7 tons of Jet A1 for 11 or so hours, dont think they have catalytic converters, so the difference between a totally standard and a modified car that still has a cat is tiny.

How far do you go, get all those classics off the road, my neigbours Austin Healey blasts out all manner of nasties, it smells like the sixties.

My mower and garden vac make more stink than my car ever does.

[popeyewhite]

POIDH said:

I'm all for limiting noise from vehicles. There's a generous legal limit in place already.
I'm fed up of a combination of pop bang tuning, local scooter riders de-silenced, and hill days in the Highlands marred by motorbike noises from a couple of glens away.

Motorbike noise pollution here in the Peak District as well. Seems to carry for miles.

[liner33]

J4CKO said:

Which bit is illegal ?

Its illegal to modify your car to increase emissions or make it louder than it was when type approved , what doesn't fall under mot regs falls under construction and use

Just for clarification I have no issue with tuning or modifying cars unlike many on here .

[RazerSauber]

It's a bit s****y that the business was fined but I suppose they're providing specialist services that are known to be used illegally. They'll have due care to think of. I do think it would be prudent to note on their invoices or work orders that the modifications are not road legal and have the customers sign to acknowledge that. The onus is then back on the brapping vapist that's requested the work.

[Hol]

I’m finding it hard to take the moral stand, as I’ve owned a number of cars with sports exhausts and decats in the past, but none of them were ASBO loud and some the bespoke ones were quieter than OEM so I could hear if an engine knocked on track.


But, deliberately Pops and Bang maps on a modern car when it’s not adding any performance gain.?

They sound st and the type of people who ask for them are clearly attention seekers, who are desperately wanting everyone else to Look-at-them.

Yeah, we see you. And you look like an utter dick with that pointless modification.

[slopes]

zeb said:

JackJarvis said:

Excellent. More of this please.

Agreed it’s great news!

Seconded.
Now if they can just get the muppet that lives near me to take the stupid loud exhaust off his pos motorbike and remove the pop and bang map, i'll be even happier

[Baldchap]

I'd always just assumed they were just crap maps done on the cheap, or maybe those overfueling boxes. Didn't realise people actually asked for them.

I have two mapped vehicles. I'd be mortified if they sounded like the chav chariots you hear around.

[Fastdruid]

J4CKO said:

Fastdruid said:

Heaveho said:

Fastdruid said:

But they're not.

They pass the MOT test which is a very very basic test to see if the cars emission systems are vaguely working.

The actual law is that its illegal to drive on the road a vehicle that has been modified so it no longer passes the type approval emissions tests that it was designed for.

Unless you're claiming that you've taken your car to a type approval testing centre and had them take it through the NEDC test and it's still passed. No, it's not still within legal limits.

You do like your pedantic extremism don't you?

I feel I should add here that I'm actually more annoyed by people claiming it's legal "because it passes the MOT" than I am by people actually doing a decat[1]. At least have the balls to own up to it being antisocial, immoral and obnoxious rather than claim it's legal.

[1] Although that's for petrol vehicles, if I was World Dictator there would be an edict to properly test diesels at the MOT and immediately crush any without a functional dpf.

So, destroy a working vehicle rather than ensuring the owner has it fixed ? Seems a bit draconian and not very eco freindly.

Yes. Right now there is very very little incentive for people not to be antisocial fktards.

Get caught and your car gets crushed right there and then may focus the mind to if they really want to remove their DPF and spew out a whole load of toxic smoke.

I'm verging on the same for the "pop n bang" crowd, there are a couple round here that you can hear from absolute miles away, literally loud enough to wake me up with closed windows. As someone put earlier in the thread Cannon, Cannon, Grenade is more like it. I wouldn't shed a single tear if those antisocial fktards had their cars crushed.

[Soleith]

braddo said:

It's your thinking that's wrong.

These horrendous noisy remaps are not for motorsport and do nothing except create noise pollution (and emissions pollution), so they create public nuisance even if they were only used on private land. This kind of st modification needs to be clamped down on to protect the good modification industry from being tarnished by the same brush.

Look out, here come the thought police!

[CKY]

JD said:

PT1984 said:

But it would sound awesome!

No it would sound utterly st, and mark you out as a selfish cretin.

Given at least 50% of road users nowadays appear to be half asleep and the remainder not much better, loud pipes save lives on bikes. Plus Ducatis on Termis sound good.

[fantheman80]

OEMs have to take some of the blame on the pop and bang. When I was growing up as a teen in the 90's and max power was in full swing, we had Peco Big bores and the like, but pop and bangs was never a thing on a Nova or Fiesta Xr2. I

Then BMW, Audi, Merc, all added the over fuelling on lift off so your A45's, your RS3s, your M4s and M2s all gargling popping and banging away. Ford did it to their Focus RSvmk3, Hyundai to their i30 and i20ns, Renault on the Meganes and buyers lapped it up. No wonder people said, "i want that for my stbox mr tuner" Granted its been taken to far with the Bruv crowd, but now OEMS are backing away, getting quieter...

[TeeGTI]

The irony of the pop and bang map mobsters is that often, they also have the front windows tinted and a chameleon tint on the windscreen.

So, "lets make lots of noise and attract attention", followed by, "lol, lets make sure nobody can see me doing it".

I wonder how many garages have been fined for fitting "off-road use only" window tints?

[Skeptisk]

braddo said:

Geoffcapes said:

I feel this ruling has made an awful precedent.

However, even though my 4200 was 112db at idle, my neighbours totally standard Harley Davidson was 126db at idle. Yet that passed the mot.

Those noise levels are completely obnoxious. Driving vehicles that loud on public roads just pisses most people off, and it's that which risks further clamping down on modifying cars and bikes.

Most track days have noise limits under 100db and the vast majority of them are under 105db. Cars are still quite loud at those levels.

I don’t understand how Harley’s and the like are legal. They are so annoying. Our flat is on a main road and in summer it is already noisy with the windows open but the Harley’s take it to another level (and drive the dog mad). I would be happy to see them all crushed (optional to include the selfish dicks riding them).

[triathlonstu]

Fastdruid said:

Yes. Right now there is very very little incentive for people not to be antisocial fktards.

Fantastic, lets do it for speeding too!

[Heaveho]

Fastdruid said:

Heaveho said:

Fastdruid said:

But they're not.

They pass the MOT test which is a very very basic test to see if the cars emission systems are vaguely working.

The actual law is that its illegal to drive on the road a vehicle that has been modified so it no longer passes the type approval emissions tests that it was designed for.

Unless you're claiming that you've taken your car to a type approval testing centre and had them take it through the NEDC test and it's still passed. No, it's not still within legal limits.

You do like your pedantic extremism don't you?

I feel I should add here that I'm actually more annoyed by people claiming it's legal "because it passes the MOT" than I am by people actually doing a decat[1]. At least have the balls to own up to it being antisocial, immoral and obnoxious rather than claim it's legal.

[1] Although that's for petrol vehicles, if I was World Dictator there would be an edict to properly test diesels at the MOT and immediately crush any without a functional dpf.

Well, you have the right outlook for a world dictator, so don't give up hope yet.

As pedantic as you are, you still haven't grasped the fact that all I stated was that it passed an emissions test without the cat. I haven't said it was legal. By the way, this on a vehicle that spent more time laid up than driven. But don't let the facts get in the way of your right to wind your neck out in public.

Ever fly abroad on holiday? Or use ships? Have views on those that do?

As for crushing a vehicle perfectly capable of being made sound? Taking your petulance out on an inanimate object. You sound like Basil Fawlty. Get a grip man.

Edited by Heaveho on Friday 24th November 12:21

[braddo]

Soleith said:

braddo said:

It's your thinking that's wrong.

Look out, here come the thought police!

What, so you're allowed to tell someone their thinking is wrong but other people can't tell you the same?

[Ninja59]

Geoffcapes said:

I feel this ruling has made an awful precedent.

Not really being a Magistrate court they do not establish precedent unlike higher courts which can. Whether a higher court would find it persuasive is a different kettle of fish.

All this will do is drive up disclaimers on not for road use, get the owner to sign in and bye bye.

Manufacturers started the pop and bang thing because of tightening exhaust noise legislation, to the extent that JLR were caught out with the V6 F types for breaching noise limits for type approval and needed cars to be returned for an update to lower noise.

There is still some cars with higher limits for type approval depending on size and mass.

I feel rather mixed emotions as lowering noise and having cameras is just the start before you know it they will catcher older louder vehicles which are technically fine.

The other area regarding emissions is about dpf or gpf removal but let's not get started, some direct injection petrols pre gpf are just as bad for particulate emissions as a pre dpf diesel.

[D4rez]

If their premises were on a public road and a customer didn't have a trailer booked to take the car away then it's inexcusable to not warn them. Obviously that's silly because wink wink, nudge nudge everyone knows the deal here.

This is another problem that the ICE ban will take care of in time thank god.

[DarkVeil]

QuickQuack said:

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Anybody who decats and puts on pops and bangs maps on cars should be fed to the lions at Whipsnade, and those driving the such modified cars can be given as play things to the chimps.

Do these things go past your house a lot?