RE: All-new Ineos Fusilier revealed as electric 4x4

[ecksjay]

I would chop the pickup in for one of those to be fair, range dependant ofc (range extender likely resolves that issue, if its a workable solution).

[nismo48]

Macboy said:

First they got the tracing paper out for the original Defender and now they've used a second sheet for the G-wagen. Ratcliffe certainly has an eye for iconic design (not creating it, just replicating it).

Excellent.

[Aids0G]

fortfive said:

Good on Jim. Investing and producing sellable products. Looks good to me and a lot more reliable and insurable than the JLR rubbish.

Might be worth having a read over the Ineos Facebook groups first regards reliability, it seems the Grenadiers are not without plenty of problems and a huge thirst for diesel!

Interesting product but producing a decent EV range will be tricky on big a/t tyres, range extender sounds good little BMW 1.5 petrol possibly, will weigh a huge amount but so what.

[Chris C2]

Before criticising copycat styling it might be worth looking at similar vehicles coming out of India and China (and even Jeep USA) - all variations on a theme.

Seems a long way away in terms of introduction date and I doubt it will be price competitive although highly competent.

Surprised there isn't a short wheelbase/ 3 door version along with a pickup and van.

Might be missing a trick not offering a synfuel/ICE version but the chassis would be much different.

Hope it doesn't repeat original Defender steel/aluminium galvanic corrosion.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Chris C2 said:

Before criticising copycat styling it might be worth looking at similar vehicles coming out of India and China (and even Jeep USA) - all variations on a theme.

It does strike me as being a bit daft to have a pop at this for looking like a G-Wagen or whatever; if the whole point is that it's a utilitarian two-box design then it's going to isn't it. It's a bit like having a go at Armitage because their bogs look very much like those made by Burlington - they sort of have to to do their job.

[jhonn]

Aids0G said:

.....range extender sounds good little BMW 1.5 petrol possibly, will weigh a huge amount but so what.

I too took it that the range extender would be an IC engine of some sort, rather than a supplementary battery pack (like the Cybertruck) - does anyone know?

If it is an IC engine (which I would prefer) then it'll be legislated out in 2035.

(my grasp of the current/forthcoming legislation is a bit tenuous, so please correct me if I'm wrong )

Edit - scratch that question - just read the article again and it says, '...though the engine will be a small petrol one rather than anything madder like Mazda’s rotary REX'

Edited by jhonn on Saturday 24th February 13:59

[FaustF]

Good looking , I'd be very interested it had the BMW engine, shame it's EV only

Edited by FaustF on Saturday 24th February 18:31

[D4rez]

FaustF said:

Good looking , I'd be very inyid it had the BMW engine, shame it's EV only

I really don’t get this comment, I mean it’s for launch so late in the cycle of course there won’t be an ICE flavour. I think that’s going to be most of what’s launched now tbh. At least with the REx they’re countering all of the usual objections

[DonkeyApple]

jhonn said:

I too took it that the range extender would be an IC engine of some sort, rather than a supplementary battery pack (like the Cybertruck) - does anyone know?

If it is an IC engine (which I would prefer) then it'll be legislated out in 2035.

(my grasp of the current/forthcoming legislation is a bit tenuous, so please correct me if I'm wrong )

Edit - scratch that question - just read the article again and it says, '...though the engine will be a small petrol one rather than anything madder like Mazda’s rotary REX'

Edited by jhonn on Saturday 24th February 13:59

You would have thought diesel would be the better fuel for a generator?

[Avenicus]

Bill said:

Looking at the size of it I suspect an EV Jimny would be a competitor.

Wonder if there are plans for a cheap Jimny type car in the range?

[jhonn]

DonkeyApple said:

You would have thought diesel would be the better fuel for a generator?

Pros and cons for both I'm sure. Personally for a generator I'd much rather a petrol engine - less NVH and no EGR/DPF/DMF or Ad-blue to muck about with.

Modern diesels can be a complete pain in the arse, and any savings fuel wise can get wiped out at some point with an expensive injector or DPF issue.

[dvs_dave]

DonkeyApple said:

You would have thought diesel would be the better fuel for a generator?

On the face of it yes. However diesel does very poorly with lots of cold start-stop usage as a range extender would typically operate most of the time. Also for automotive use they need a ton of extra emissions gear over petrol, which again does very poorly with cold start-stop usage. NVH for small low cylinder count diesels is also much more of a challenge to mitigate. Especially in an otherwise silent EV platform. Diesel excels at constant speed, high load, long duration operation.

So on balance, a petrol is much easier to implement, much more compact/lighter, easier to get through emissions, and all things considered, real world efficiency about the same, or probably better.

There’s a reason the vast majority of hybrids are petrol, not diesel. They just don’t net out in real world scenarios.

[FaustF]

D4rez said:

FaustF said:

Good looking , I'd be very inyid it had the BMW engine, shame it's EV only

I really don’t get this comment, I mean it’s for launch so late in the cycle of course there won’t be an ICE flavour. I think that’s going to be most of what’s launched now tbh. At least with the REx they’re countering all of the usual objections

Not much there to 'not get' apart from the typo - now amended.

I'd like this vehicle with one of the BMW engines, the inference in my comment being Im less interested in it as an EV. Simple as that really.

[D4rez]

FaustF said:

D4rez said:

FaustF said:

Good looking , I'd be very inyid it had the BMW engine, shame it's EV only

I really don’t get this comment, I mean it’s for launch so late in the cycle of course there won’t be an ICE flavour. I think that’s going to be most of what’s launched now tbh. At least with the REx they’re countering all of the usual objections

Not much there to 'not get' apart from the typo - now amended.

I'd like this vehicle with one of the BMW engines, the inference in my comment being Im less interested in it as an EV. Simple as that really.

I know but you must get that pretty much nothing now launched is going to have one. Especially with a range extender what’s not to go for

[Mouse Rat]

I very much like that. Proportions look good. The range extender will be interesting when more detail are released.

[Lefty]

Apparently independent suspension, dual motor with axle diffs but obviously no centre diff. If they don’t fit axle lockers they’ll have to work on the traction control.

[DonkeyApple]

dvs_dave said:

DonkeyApple said:

You would have thought diesel would be the better fuel for a generator?

On the face of it yes. However diesel does very poorly with lots of cold start-stop usage as a range extender would typically operate most of the time. Also for automotive use they need a ton of extra emissions gear over petrol, which again does very poorly with cold start-stop usage. NVH for small low cylinder count diesels is also much more of a challenge to mitigate. Especially in an otherwise silent EV platform. Diesel excels at constant speed, high load, long duration operation.

So on balance, a petrol is much easier to implement, much more compact/lighter, easier to get through emissions, and all things considered, real world efficiency about the same, or probably better.

There’s a reason the vast majority of hybrids are petrol, not diesel. They just don’t net out in real world scenarios.

Thanks. Makes sense. I was just envisaging a Jenny running at a constant speed to get the car a long distance rather than typical stop start driving.

[Angelo1985]

Julian Scott said:

...and now a copycat of the very first comment made. ;-)

That’s because great minds think alike

[Kerching]

I just like that they launched it outside the Grenadier Pub where the original discussions about making a vehicle took place.

[Skodapondy]

My friend who may work on one of Big Jim's chemical sites, tells me that they won't be getting one for use on the site. The pick up Grenathingy he tells me would be useful, plus he says using it would surely be a test for reliability as chemical plant operators are heavy handed rough buggers. So he tells me.

Edited by Skodapondy on Sunday 25th February 16:57