RE: VW ID 3 finally gets 326hp GTX flagship
Discussion
Holgate86 said:
ajap1979 said:
Holgate86 said:
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
You've watched the Chris Harris Ioniq 5N video?Dombilano said:
Is there a slower accelerating 320hp+ car in recent memory?
Pickle very much remains untickled
Lamborghini Miura, LP400 Countach, Ferrari Boxer, Maserati Bora to name a few. In other words must supercars of the sixties and seventies. Wonder which I’d rather drive 🤔 Pickle very much remains untickled
You must be young!
Holgate86 said:
ajap1979 said:
Holgate86 said:
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
You've watched the Chris Harris Ioniq 5N video?I’m still very much an ICE fanboy but the 5N shows some progress and innovation, more than we’re getting from most of the European manufacturers. I’ll still take a Civic Type R all day over the 5N as a driving machine though, actually, there’s a long list of ICE cars I would take before the 5N
Edited by JAMSXR on Saturday 16th March 04:49
ajap1979 said:
Holgate86 said:
ajap1979 said:
Holgate86 said:
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
You've watched the Chris Harris Ioniq 5N video?So what constitutes a drivers car? No such thing really, as everyone draws the line at different points. Rear engined 2 seater? Is that the line? Or maybe it's just anything RWD with north of 400bhp? The line is different for everyone, so little point trying to define that line. It's personal.
The only real definition is 'do I enjoy being behind the wheel'
Who gives a toss about how many seats, how many ponies etc.
I'm going outdoor karting later. Bucket of crap single engine karts. Nowhere near as engaging as the twin engined pro karts. Am I staying at home? Damn sure I'm not. I can still enjoy it and the different challenge that brings. Will I enjoy being behind the wheel? Yes I will.
Like someone mentioned earlier, I can enjoy driving most things too. Heck, even a 50hp step through scooter I can have a great time on. I'm easily satisfied though, which is helpful. I don't need the 'ultimate experience' to enjoy something.
I do appreciate though, that cars are an expensive outlay and as an EV driver, I fully get that dislike. If we've gotta pick one car, it's important to pick right. The digital nature of the throttle isn't for everyone. I can enjoy it personally, but see why others might not. When I move my ID3 on, I won't miss it. I don't feel connected to it or love for it. I can still enjoy being behind the wheel though. It would be a lot better with proper tyres tbh, those eco tyres are notable in their lack of performance. Maybe I'll try better tyres when these ones wear out, as tyre choice could be significant. They're set up for range rather than engagement.
Edited by soupdragon1 on Saturday 16th March 10:13
Some of the comments under the Carwow video of the X Plaid and tuned GTR are pretty funny.
How fast something is doesn't matter so much anymore. Its the way it makes you feel.
Why tune a GTR then? To make it better down your local b road?
The mental knots EV haters tie themselves up in get ever more impressive.
How fast something is doesn't matter so much anymore. Its the way it makes you feel.
Why tune a GTR then? To make it better down your local b road?
The mental knots EV haters tie themselves up in get ever more impressive.
ajap1979 said:
1974foggy said:
It will drop like a stone in value like all EVs.
Like all EVs? Are you an expert on the market then?Looking on AT, 3-4 year old examples seem to be worth roughly 50% of their original list price, and ID.3s have pretty much always had discounts, either via PCP contributions and/or government grants. To me that seems like fairly ordinary depreciation, or am I wrong?
Owned an ID3 1st edition from new in Dec 2020; collected it during the covid lockdown, so NO handover whatsoever. Original software....was doggish, and range was 130miles. Car was well speccd, cheaply in some areas. Software update the following march gave a 250mile real world range and we felt confident it would be an interesting starting point for us and evs. Our careers are engineering (power) and we broadly understand evs and why they exist.
It was so good, we sold our E91 Alpina b3sbiturbo and cayman gts, whilst awaiting my new macan gts (I need an auto suv these days due to disabilities, and the alpina punished some things, the cayman others). The very day we went from 3 cars to 1, the id3 began to torture us. New sound generator, new mmi screen, new mmi cable, new reversing cam, new 12v battery, multiple software updates, the list goes on, my memory not. So at 23months, it was sold at £2k profit. Not worth it....it was a dog, and it howled.
So we now have a cupra born v3, 77kw. Nope, not bitten, we learned and went with the flow. A year in, minimal glitches only, excellent range, excellent seats, and overall a much better car than the id3 was to us. Its OK to drive in the real world, too.
We don't buy tesla (little to no r&d and Musk is too odious by half to finance....and f
k they're ugly) and Chinese cars....no. Anyone heard of the CCP and their interest in Western tech? I wouldn't make a business call in one, or have idle work innovation chit chat with a colleague. I lived in China for too long to risk using their tech as they steal the lot.
This gtx is a pimped version of our v3 77kw. No issues with that, and some may even enjoy it.
Oh and the 'only 4 seats' thing....its because vw do r&d and realised there was an issue with the id3/born chassis setup. Same with glass roofs: the 77kw cannot have one. The 58kw can though, so enjoy your 5 seats and panoramic roof with the lower range only.
It was so good, we sold our E91 Alpina b3sbiturbo and cayman gts, whilst awaiting my new macan gts (I need an auto suv these days due to disabilities, and the alpina punished some things, the cayman others). The very day we went from 3 cars to 1, the id3 began to torture us. New sound generator, new mmi screen, new mmi cable, new reversing cam, new 12v battery, multiple software updates, the list goes on, my memory not. So at 23months, it was sold at £2k profit. Not worth it....it was a dog, and it howled.
So we now have a cupra born v3, 77kw. Nope, not bitten, we learned and went with the flow. A year in, minimal glitches only, excellent range, excellent seats, and overall a much better car than the id3 was to us. Its OK to drive in the real world, too.
We don't buy tesla (little to no r&d and Musk is too odious by half to finance....and f
k they're ugly) and Chinese cars....no. Anyone heard of the CCP and their interest in Western tech? I wouldn't make a business call in one, or have idle work innovation chit chat with a colleague. I lived in China for too long to risk using their tech as they steal the lot. This gtx is a pimped version of our v3 77kw. No issues with that, and some may even enjoy it.
Oh and the 'only 4 seats' thing....its because vw do r&d and realised there was an issue with the id3/born chassis setup. Same with glass roofs: the 77kw cannot have one. The 58kw can though, so enjoy your 5 seats and panoramic roof with the lower range only.
Edited by smithers-jones on Saturday 16th March 19:22
CG2020UK said:
Gary T21 said:
Rear drive. No thanks. Never any good in icy or snowy conditions.
Silly thought process just buy winter tyres 
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Msportman said:
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Please show me where I can get one of these worthless EVs? I'd like a Tesla.Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Msportman said:
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
At the right price, plenty of people want a 3-year-old iPhone. The vast majority of people wouldn’t experience any decipherable difference between, say an iPhone 13 and an iPhone 15. Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
As I pointed out earlier, 3-4 year old cars seem to be fetching 50-55% of their original list price. Isn’t that fairly normal depreciation?
ajap1979 said:
Msportman said:
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
At the right price, plenty of people want a 3-year-old iPhone. The vast majority of people wouldn’t experience any decipherable difference between, say an iPhone 13 and an iPhone 15. Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
As I pointed out earlier, 3-4 year old cars seem to be fetching 50-55% of their original list price. Isn’t that fairly normal depreciation?
Msportman said:
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....
Terrible example, absolutely loads of people do. Every time I upgrade to a new one I can sell my old one ten times over. However I do take your point. But this is the situation at the moment with used EV's, in 5, 10, years there will always be people who need something they could afford as the first owner. I don't see how this will be any different with EV's in the long run.Msportman said:
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Is it a teacher training day? Kids off, so up late?Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
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