RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | UK Review
Discussion
Can EV's not just tone down the power output and give us a more realistic everyday range? Why do you need to go to 60mph in 3.5seconds in an EV, when it will no doubt wallow in the corners? How about drop 150bhp off the top, give the 'hot hatch' a 60mph time of around 5.0 to 5.5 seconds and push for more range?
I'm sure that would be a better compromise?
I'm sure that would be a better compromise?
The OG Jester said:
Can EV's not just tone down the power output and give us a more realistic everyday range? Why do you need to go to 60mph in 3.5seconds in an EV, when it will no doubt wallow in the corners? How about drop 150bhp off the top, give the 'hot hatch' a 60mph time of around 5.0 to 5.5 seconds and push for more range?
I'm sure that would be a better compromise?
Because power doesn't really impact range that much. Have a look at range figures of single motor vs dual motor versions of the same car, usually only 10-15% difference. Only way to get more range is overall efficiency and battery size.I'm sure that would be a better compromise?
sidesauce said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I think that I'm probably on my own with thinking this, but to me EVs don't have any status to them whatsoever for me. However I guess that is because I just don't find them desirable in the same way that I do with a car with an engine.
I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
Fair enough but I'd say someone driving a Nio EP9, a Pininfarina Battista, a Maserati MC20 Folgore, Rolls-Royce Spectre or an Alfa 33 Stradale would probably not see it that way - all of the aforementioned are available as EVs and none of them would be classed as "white goods" at all by the public. I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
Conversely, I very much see Vauxhall Corsa, Kia Sportage, Hyundai Tucson, MINI, Audi A3 etc as white goods, certainly nothing to lust after at all (and these are the best selling cars in the UK currently).
But anyone who saw a Nio EP9, a Pininfarina Battista, a Maserati MC20 Folgore, a Rolls-Royce Spectre or an Alfa 33 Stradale and walked straight past without even giving a second glance is lying to themselves, not in any way a car fan or so stubborn they make a politician seems transparent, IMO.
Reviews are really promising and I’m keeping a close eye on the I5N.
Think it’s pretty obvious it’s not a hot hatch despite what U.K media keeps trying to spin.
The efficiency is quite worrying if you used this at your average rapid charger at 79p/kWh you’d be getting the equivalent to 23/24mpg on petrol so certainly wouldn’t be my choice for long journeys.
Think it’s pretty obvious it’s not a hot hatch despite what U.K media keeps trying to spin.
The efficiency is quite worrying if you used this at your average rapid charger at 79p/kWh you’d be getting the equivalent to 23/24mpg on petrol so certainly wouldn’t be my choice for long journeys.
Angelo1985 said:
I’m sorry guys, but you are all so funny 
This is a car with 650 hp. Aaaand an EV, but still with 650 hp. And you complain about the range.
Never seen anyone complaining about the abysmal fuel consumption of, say, a TVR or a Porsche or a Mercedes with similar power.
Popcorns ready
It’s not the cost of range, it’s the restriction. This is a car with 650 hp. Aaaand an EV, but still with 650 hp. And you complain about the range.
Never seen anyone complaining about the abysmal fuel consumption of, say, a TVR or a Porsche or a Mercedes with similar power.
Popcorns ready
Is it still the case that it is recommended that it’s best for battery health to only charge between 10-80%?
In that case if the actual 100% range is 200 miles for this, to look after it properly, for longevity of battery, you only have a useable 70%. This means a range of 140 miles, running down to 10% and charging up to 80% in 20 mins or whatever it takes.
In that case if the actual 100% range is 200 miles for this, to look after it properly, for longevity of battery, you only have a useable 70%. This means a range of 140 miles, running down to 10% and charging up to 80% in 20 mins or whatever it takes.
The OG Jester said:
Can EV's not just tone down the power output and give us a more realistic everyday range? Why do you need to go to 60mph in 3.5seconds in an EV, when it will no doubt wallow in the corners? How about drop 150bhp off the top, give the 'hot hatch' a 60mph time of around 5.0 to 5.5 seconds and push for more range?
I'm sure that would be a better compromise?
High power output from a battery is a freebie when you go for large energy capacity, i.e. range.I'm sure that would be a better compromise?
Putting a bigger motor on to occasionally access it doesn't change much.
Full power in these cars is only ever used momentarily for rapid acceleration, not for top speed.
It's also metered out linearly according to road speed, up to around 60 mph, so you cannot access it at low road speeds anyway.
When you do, all of that power goes towards increasing kinetic energy, which is only lost if you use it to heat the friction brakes.
If it's then used to coast the car or mostly recovered by regenerative braking, the impact on range (i.e. draining the battery) isn't that great.
What mostly drains the battery is pushing the car through the air and overcoming the rolling resistance of the tyres, which of those is greater depends on the average speed of your journey, and for high speed motorway journeys, it's drag.
Drag is unaffected by mass, so making it lighter makes no difference to how slippery the car is.
The only significant negative effect of mass on range is the rolling resistance of the tyres, and any energy lost to heat in accelerating or braking the car.
The way an electric car looks is just as important as how heavy it is, sometimes more so.
Who prefers the looks of the Ioniq 6 to the Ioniq 5 though?
p.s. Drag is a function of the frontal area and the drag coefficient (CdA) so making the car lower, narrower and longer also helps, see the Mercedes EQXX for the ultimate incarnation of this.
Edited by GT9 on Thursday 9th May 18:34
Was really hoping to get one of these to replace my model 3 performance, got the quotes all lined up in my salary sacrifice portal....
My driving week is typically punctuated by a round trip of 180 miles of 95% motorway driving twice a week (90 miles each way), and the way the reviews and range tests are coming out kind of kills this unless I accept the cost/inconvenience of adding in a public charger stop each time (especially in winter). Not the end of the world, but I don't do that currently in the Tesla....
That said, i've seen anything from 170 to 250 mile results when looking around at other reviews/tests, but it's nigh on impossible to work out where my journeys would be in that range. the Tesla also claims it will do 300 miles when the battery is full and its more or less all done by 230.
Shame, went and sat in an ioniq 5n yesterday and much preferred it to my current 2020 Tesla. I could get the new Model 3 Performance, but it's not nearly as interesting to me.... need to wait for someone else to find out what they will really do range wise on eco mode boring drives....
My driving week is typically punctuated by a round trip of 180 miles of 95% motorway driving twice a week (90 miles each way), and the way the reviews and range tests are coming out kind of kills this unless I accept the cost/inconvenience of adding in a public charger stop each time (especially in winter). Not the end of the world, but I don't do that currently in the Tesla....
That said, i've seen anything from 170 to 250 mile results when looking around at other reviews/tests, but it's nigh on impossible to work out where my journeys would be in that range. the Tesla also claims it will do 300 miles when the battery is full and its more or less all done by 230.
Shame, went and sat in an ioniq 5n yesterday and much preferred it to my current 2020 Tesla. I could get the new Model 3 Performance, but it's not nearly as interesting to me.... need to wait for someone else to find out what they will really do range wise on eco mode boring drives....
ITP said:
Is it still the case that it is recommended that it’s best for battery health to only charge between 10-80%?
As usual, there's a bit more nuance to these things.Angelo1985 said:
I’m sorry guys, but you are all so funny
This is a car with 650 hp. Aaaand an EV, but still with 650 hp. And you complain about the range.
Never seen anyone complaining about the abysmal fuel consumption of, say, a TVR or a Porsche or a Mercedes with similar power.
Popcorns ready
Take your TVR and blast it until only 10 miles of fuel left….. do the same with an EV and see which one makes you sweat more when you’re trying to get home again.This is a car with 650 hp. Aaaand an EV, but still with 650 hp. And you complain about the range.
Never seen anyone complaining about the abysmal fuel consumption of, say, a TVR or a Porsche or a Mercedes with similar power.
Popcorns ready
If you do decent miles in an EV (as I do) even with Tesla’s excellent infrastructure you can get in the odd tough spot…. And relying on other infrastructure (as I had to recently) when up in the north east was dire.
Be under no illusion if it’s your main or only car range is a thing.
Bearing in mind you don’t want to have less than 50 miles left and you’re not meant to charge past 90% - the usable but in the middle which is vastly variable dependant on speed and temp makes you think on occasion.
Julian Scott said:
sidesauce said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I think that I'm probably on my own with thinking this, but to me EVs don't have any status to them whatsoever for me. However I guess that is because I just don't find them desirable in the same way that I do with a car with an engine.
I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
Fair enough but I'd say someone driving a Nio EP9, a Pininfarina Battista, a Maserati MC20 Folgore, Rolls-Royce Spectre or an Alfa 33 Stradale would probably not see it that way - all of the aforementioned are available as EVs and none of them would be classed as "white goods" at all by the public. I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
Conversely, I very much see Vauxhall Corsa, Kia Sportage, Hyundai Tucson, MINI, Audi A3 etc as white goods, certainly nothing to lust after at all (and these are the best selling cars in the UK currently).
But anyone who saw a Nio EP9, a Pininfarina Battista, a Maserati MC20 Folgore, a Rolls-Royce Spectre or an Alfa 33 Stradale and walked straight past without even giving a second glance is lying to themselves, not in any way a car fan or so stubborn they make a politician seems transparent, IMO.
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