RE: Driven: Ferrari 599 XX
Discussion
I can kinda see the point. Ideal for people with lots of big gold jewellery, large Barratt houses with brick paved drives and orange wives. It will probably be quite good at removing them from the gene pool. But. We need less. Weight, civility, refinement, whatever. Extreme development cars at the very F-layer of Supercarishness should not be easy to drive with the electronics set to 2. I hope that, when the final book of Italian automotive greatness is written, the F40 won't be at the top of the pile. I suspect it will be though.
I would rather spend £1M on a really nice engineering workshop, a couple of machinists and access to some experienced design engineers.
I would rather spend £1M on a really nice engineering workshop, a couple of machinists and access to some experienced design engineers.
Look it's got mechanical 'nanny' devices but if that's not someone's style dial the manettino down to 1. It sounds like a car that could practically teach you to drive better due to the electronics. I also don't understand the point some make that Ferrari should make beautiful cars by evoking pictures of older models of an era when aerodynamics weren't required. Does it look like a giant 'hip hop' tennis shoe? Yes. Then to address the people who say it's a shill because customers are subsidizing Ferrari's development. GREAT - the buyers get high tech prototypes! It's like a space age car that is actually put into production. Customer and clients must have minds like 14 year olds dreams.
Possible reasons one might have for buying one (though I doubt these are necessarily close to what the actual clients' reasons are).
It's an example of todays/Ferrari's pinnacle car performance, manufacturing, engineering and technology. Like many things one looks at it inside and out, they enjoy what they see. Perhaps the carbon fiber work is better or worse than Pagani? Enjoying the pure materialistic nature of the car through connoisseurship.
Desire to have a new track experience via a new unique car (that's yours). What racing series could compare for the money as a privateer?
It's a collectable car to add to ones collection. I'm sure some will be pubic.
So in conclusion:
I would think a lot of the 'qualified' buyers are sincere track rats. I'm sure Mclaren will have some comparable tasty metal in a few years and that will be great. Horses for courses really. I don't quite get the criticism. Enjoying sports cars in general is wasteful nonsense but I like to follow it even if I'll never drive the cars.
Possible reasons one might have for buying one (though I doubt these are necessarily close to what the actual clients' reasons are).
It's an example of todays/Ferrari's pinnacle car performance, manufacturing, engineering and technology. Like many things one looks at it inside and out, they enjoy what they see. Perhaps the carbon fiber work is better or worse than Pagani? Enjoying the pure materialistic nature of the car through connoisseurship.
Desire to have a new track experience via a new unique car (that's yours). What racing series could compare for the money as a privateer?
It's a collectable car to add to ones collection. I'm sure some will be pubic.
So in conclusion:
I would think a lot of the 'qualified' buyers are sincere track rats. I'm sure Mclaren will have some comparable tasty metal in a few years and that will be great. Horses for courses really. I don't quite get the criticism. Enjoying sports cars in general is wasteful nonsense but I like to follow it even if I'll never drive the cars.
TonyHetherington said:
Kamox said:
P4ROT said:
Kamox said:
"Mannetino" is wrong. It's spelled "manettino" (and it's lowercase, it's a noun, synonym for "circular switch" in Italian).
I'm guessing Kamox is italian for smartarse then lol
vintageracer01 said:
If they're not careful I'm going to have to readjust my opinions..... that is simply stunning.
flemke said:
infradig said:
Just a thought about the 'not road legal' aspect,I'm sure to the superwealthy there would be quite a few countries that you could register anything you'd want for the right 'fee' then you could visit anywhere you wanted on holiday!
True, but not many of us would wish to be in such a country in anything but a tank. 
I assume there were at least 3 G55s with the "3 inch thick windscreen" option ticked just out of shot...
ETA: Here ya go, turns out it belongs to the president, who I assume won it as a prize in a "who can kill the most people on behalf of Vladimir" competition.
http://www.globalmotors.net/chechen-republic-presi...
Edited by Gridl0k on Tuesday 23 February 08:55
I've never been a Ferrari fan 
but that does look good 
its all those driver aids that would put me off, but then again it is to be sold to people with more money than driver ability.
I'd rather spend 1/5th if that on something that will probably go around a track quicker than the average owner of one of these will be able to make it go around a track.
I note that Ferrari have changed the terms of purchase of this since it was first shown to the public, iirc you never actually owned it, you could only use it at Ferrari organised track events and you cetianly couldn't take it home.
but that does look good its all those driver aids that would put me off, but then again it is to be sold to people with more money than driver ability.I'd rather spend 1/5th if that on something that will probably go around a track quicker than the average owner of one of these will be able to make it go around a track.
I note that Ferrari have changed the terms of purchase of this since it was first shown to the public, iirc you never actually owned it, you could only use it at Ferrari organised track events and you cetianly couldn't take it home.
Zad said:
I can kinda see the point. Ideal for people with lots of big gold jewellery, large Barratt houses with brick paved drives and orange wives. It will probably be quite good at removing them from the gene pool. But. We need less. Weight, civility, refinement, whatever. Extreme development cars at the very F-layer of Supercarishness should not be easy to drive with the electronics set to 2. I hope that, when the final book of Italian automotive greatness is written, the F40 won't be at the top of the pile. I suspect it will be though.
I would rather spend £1M on a really nice engineering workshop, a couple of machinists and access to some experienced design engineers.
In fact it is the exact opposite of that!! if you want pose and impress neighbours surely you'd spend 1 million on a Veyron and not a car no one will ever see and spends its life on the track?.I would rather spend £1M on a really nice engineering workshop, a couple of machinists and access to some experienced design engineers.
The traction control button can be turned off completely.
inman999 said:
Am I the only one left cold by this car.
"The way you can throw the thing at a corner and then let the electronics guide you through is genuinely astonishing."
"no matter what I did with the throttle on the way out of corners. Through a long, fourth gear right-hander there was maybe a whiff of understeer, but to all intents it felt neutral on turn-in and absolutely glued mid corner."
"On number five, you can open up the throttle 100 per cent at the apex and then just wait for the system to decide when there's enough traction to actually deliver full throttle."
"dial down the level of assistance and perform digitally perfected drifts, all day, every day"
Just what I always wanted a computer to do all the driving. Not really my idea of driving pleasure. I can put my hand on my heart and say I had more fun on Saturday over the snake pass in my 15YO MX5 than I would round a track with the all the electronic trinketry dialed up to 11. Oh and it cost me 2400 times less.
Agree 100% It is just Ferrari catering to their market of people who want to pretend to be Shuey and have the brass, but not neccessarily the talent. fairy nuff really."The way you can throw the thing at a corner and then let the electronics guide you through is genuinely astonishing."
"no matter what I did with the throttle on the way out of corners. Through a long, fourth gear right-hander there was maybe a whiff of understeer, but to all intents it felt neutral on turn-in and absolutely glued mid corner."
"On number five, you can open up the throttle 100 per cent at the apex and then just wait for the system to decide when there's enough traction to actually deliver full throttle."
"dial down the level of assistance and perform digitally perfected drifts, all day, every day"
Just what I always wanted a computer to do all the driving. Not really my idea of driving pleasure. I can put my hand on my heart and say I had more fun on Saturday over the snake pass in my 15YO MX5 than I would round a track with the all the electronic trinketry dialed up to 11. Oh and it cost me 2400 times less.
Edited by juansolo on Tuesday 23 February 13:57
anonymous said:
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Perfect..I just don't see this as a "trinket" it's an exercise it out right speed..and unfortunately with that comes robot gear boxes and driver aids..I understand the disillusion with the current range on that basis but this is a racing car, you'll probably see something close this racing in the 2011 GT1 season...hopefully.No disrespect with my previous comment, just lately the site has been full "boring" "meh" "zzzzzzz" comments regarding 200mph+ cars...just started to annoy me...for me a Veyron is more of a trinket..you'll never get near its performance on the road..its to heavy for track use, so your million dollars with this you get to take it to the track and achieve mind bending speeds and g forces..I know this doesn't appeal to a lot of purists..but boring?
Not sure I get it TBH. Why start with this car as the base for a track only car - it makes little sense? The starting point is just too far away from a track car, especially given it's not being designed to comply some sort of race series rules. The Enzo derivatives I get, but this just seems like a pointless engineering exercise. Will we see a ferrari 4x4 FXX in the future where they take their (inevitable) 4x4 badge cash in and see how fast they can make that go around a track.
Zad said:
I can kinda see the point. Ideal for people with lots of big gold jewellery, large Barratt houses with brick paved drives and orange wives. It will probably be quite good at removing them from the gene pool. But. We need less. Weight, civility, refinement, whatever. Extreme development cars at the very F-layer of Supercarishness should not be easy to drive with the electronics set to 2. I hope that, when the final book of Italian automotive greatness is written, the F40 won't be at the top of the pile. I suspect it will be though.
I would rather spend £1M on a really nice engineering workshop, a couple of machinists and access to some experienced design engineers.
Well, that is what this guy (right, Glickenhaus) did:I would rather spend £1M on a really nice engineering workshop, a couple of machinists and access to some experienced design engineers.
To my knowledge, he spent 3,5 million $ though.
And this is A VERY NICE FERRARI: (and modern looking! Despite the fact it was created having the P4 330 in mind)
And here is the race car! Just wonderful!!!
Why Ferrari cannot do it on its own and comes up with an 599FXX???
I don't get this.
Edited by vintageracer01 on Tuesday 23 February 18:06
Wayne King said:
Gridl0k said:
You say elegant and graceful, I say it looks like an SD1... potato, potahto....
Agree.
There are subtle differences, you know. Line work? Proportions? Surfaces? Dynamik?
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