RE: Report: Porsche Plans 5-series Rival
Discussion
boredofmyoldname said:
adycav said:
Who cares what class of car Porsche make?
Whatever it is, it will be at or near the top of the class for performance and driving pleasure.
Don't like it - don't buy it!
Everytime Porsche launch a new model the keyboard warriors start, I thought the response to this would be lots of people who haven't seen or driven the proposed car slating it and Porsche. Sadly I was right Whatever it is, it will be at or near the top of the class for performance and driving pleasure.
Don't like it - don't buy it!
thewheelman said:
Porsche used to be very elite, now they seem to be an also ran along with other German saloons. Not that those cars are bad, it's just not what people have loved Porsche for all these years.
I take your point but folk have been saying much the same thing for years (albeit not concerning saloons) - 924, Boxster, water cooled 911s, Cayenne, Panamera etc.As I said above, as long as Porsche remain committed to being at the very top of the class for performance, driving pleasure and quality, I for one don't mind what class of car they build (within reason of course!).
adycav said:
thewheelman said:
Porsche used to be very elite, now they seem to be an also ran along with other German saloons. Not that those cars are bad, it's just not what people have loved Porsche for all these years.
I take your point but folk have been saying much the same thing for years (albeit not concerning saloons) - 924, Boxster, water cooled 911s, Cayenne, Panamera etc.As I said above, as long as Porsche remain committed to being at the very top of the class for performance, driving pleasure and quality, I for one don't mind what class of car they build (within reason of course!).
Brand Dilution!
When I was a kid I used to have 3 posters on my wall ok 4 (knight rider)!
1) Porsche
2) Ferrari
3) Lambo
2 Brands has survived & are still an aspirational brand! Ie when ever I see the cars I have to stop & take a 2nd glance (Ferrari & Lambo). The other is common as muck!! For me the Boxster in 96 was the start of the brand dilution! A sports car for £30k!! Surly not??
Glad Lambo & Ferrari cars are £150k + still
When I was a kid I used to have 3 posters on my wall ok 4 (knight rider)!
1) Porsche
2) Ferrari
3) Lambo
2 Brands has survived & are still an aspirational brand! Ie when ever I see the cars I have to stop & take a 2nd glance (Ferrari & Lambo). The other is common as muck!! For me the Boxster in 96 was the start of the brand dilution! A sports car for £30k!! Surly not??
Glad Lambo & Ferrari cars are £150k + still
Wayney said:
Brand Dilution!
When I was a kid I used to have 3 posters on my wall ok 4 (knight rider)!
1) Porsche
2) Ferrari
3) Lambo
2 Brands has survived & are still an aspirational brand! Ie when ever I see the cars I have to stop & take a 2nd glance (Ferrari & Lambo). The other is common as muck!! For me the Boxster in 96 was the start of the brand dilution! A sports car for £30k!! Surly not??
Glad Lambo & Ferrari cars are £150k + still
I had the same three brands of cars on my walls. I fear you missed out a little, as Farrah took pride of place.... When I was a kid I used to have 3 posters on my wall ok 4 (knight rider)!
1) Porsche
2) Ferrari
3) Lambo
2 Brands has survived & are still an aspirational brand! Ie when ever I see the cars I have to stop & take a 2nd glance (Ferrari & Lambo). The other is common as muck!! For me the Boxster in 96 was the start of the brand dilution! A sports car for £30k!! Surly not??
Glad Lambo & Ferrari cars are £150k + still
Wayney said:
Brand Dilution!
When I was a kid I used to have 3 posters on my wall ok 4 (knight rider)!
1) Porsche
2) Ferrari
3) Lambo
2 Brands has survived & are still an aspirational brand! Ie when ever I see the cars I have to stop & take a 2nd glance (Ferrari & Lambo). The other is common as muck!! For me the Boxster in 96 was the start of the brand dilution! A sports car for £30k!! Surly not??
Glad Lambo & Ferrari cars are £150k + still
Like I said above, it's nothing new.When I was a kid I used to have 3 posters on my wall ok 4 (knight rider)!
1) Porsche
2) Ferrari
3) Lambo
2 Brands has survived & are still an aspirational brand! Ie when ever I see the cars I have to stop & take a 2nd glance (Ferrari & Lambo). The other is common as muck!! For me the Boxster in 96 was the start of the brand dilution! A sports car for £30k!! Surly not??
Glad Lambo & Ferrari cars are £150k + still
thewheelman said:
In fairness, i took that comment to mean the 116 or 118, not a get up & go model such as the 130i. I may be wrong, but that's how i took "lower end One series"
Perhaps, but is a 116i so different to a 130i? Mostly the same except for less power and softer suspension. 
The shooting break cars were okay:
As already said, Porsche aren't forcing anyone to buy them and as long as they keep building cars like the 911's and maintain a name in Motorsport, it's fine.
To note - there is an Aston Martin that looks like a Smart Car/Aygo? There has been a Lambo 4x4 and Ferrari made the Mondial.
As already said, Porsche aren't forcing anyone to buy them and as long as they keep building cars like the 911's and maintain a name in Motorsport, it's fine.
To note - there is an Aston Martin that looks like a Smart Car/Aygo? There has been a Lambo 4x4 and Ferrari made the Mondial.
Edited by fastgerman on Friday 25th March 10:34
"BMW has retained much of its image and appeal despite the 3 series out selling mondeos.
As long as the cars continue to be well engineered and excellent performers, I don't see that the brand need be de-valued."
The Panamania is not an excellent performer- except if you mean as a bahn stormer. Indeed its handling has been negatively reviewed by every uk publication.
how do so many on PH come to think of the pana as some sort of wondrous driving machine; even cars like the M5 and Jag XFR out handle it. Weird how people create these ideas in their heads. j
As long as the cars continue to be well engineered and excellent performers, I don't see that the brand need be de-valued."
The Panamania is not an excellent performer- except if you mean as a bahn stormer. Indeed its handling has been negatively reviewed by every uk publication.
how do so many on PH come to think of the pana as some sort of wondrous driving machine; even cars like the M5 and Jag XFR out handle it. Weird how people create these ideas in their heads. j
I wonder how many people commenting on this thread have actually bought a new Porsche from a dealer?
Porsche couldn't give a fig what you think as most of you will never buy a new one, harsh but fair.
They are in business to make money and this is how they will do it.
Ferrari baseball cap anyone? or perhaps a 4x4 4 seater?
[quote=j123The Panamania is not an excellent performer- except if you mean as a bahn stormer. Indeed its handling has been negatively reviewed by every uk publication.
how do so many on PH come to think of the pana as some sort of wondrous driving machine; even cars like the M5 and Jag XFR out handle it. Weird how people create these ideas in their heads. j
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What utter tosh, The Panamera turbo is faster than the e92 M3 round Silverstone....
how do so many on PH come to think of the pana as some sort of wondrous driving machine; even cars like the M5 and Jag XFR out handle it. Weird how people create these ideas in their heads. j
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What utter tosh, The Panamera turbo is faster than the e92 M3 round Silverstone....
j123 said:
"BMW has retained much of its image and appeal despite the 3 series out selling mondeos.
As long as the cars continue to be well engineered and excellent performers, I don't see that the brand need be de-valued."
The Panamania is not an excellent performer- except if you mean as a bahn stormer. Indeed its handling has been negatively reviewed by every uk publication.
how do so many on PH come to think of the pana as some sort of wondrous driving machine; even cars like the M5 and Jag XFR out handle it. Weird how people create these ideas in their heads. j
How have you come to YOUR opinion on the Panamera? How did you get the idea that it doesn't handle in your head?As long as the cars continue to be well engineered and excellent performers, I don't see that the brand need be de-valued."
The Panamania is not an excellent performer- except if you mean as a bahn stormer. Indeed its handling has been negatively reviewed by every uk publication.
how do so many on PH come to think of the pana as some sort of wondrous driving machine; even cars like the M5 and Jag XFR out handle it. Weird how people create these ideas in their heads. j
Kawasicki said:
How have you come to YOUR opinion on the Panamera? How did you get the idea that it doesn't handle in your head?
a a a, I got from her son...http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2563...
"You at least know where you are with the Maserati, though. Slip into the Porsche’s firm seat, get comfy and survey the cabin and there’s much to like, to feel good about. All-surface sandy brownness not withstanding, it is obviously a high-quality item, the stoutness of its build and fineness of its finish matched only by the Bentley. It feels nicely polished pulling away, too, the PDK gearbox smooth, the V8 throbbing softly, but the contrast with the dynamic feel of the Maserati and Aston is stark. After a couple of corners you realise you’re more aware of the weight, after a couple more that you’re not quite connected, either through the steering – which feels quick witted but disconnected – or the seat of your pants.
On the default damper setting, the Panamera feels floaty and bothered by the surface, failing to deal with bumps decisively. It’s an uncomfortable feeling. Where in the Aston you plan your lines and clipping points, measuring out the power and rolling your wrists to get you there, in the Porsche you feel like your best hope is an approximate line. And when the road gets properly turbulent you have to set the dampers on maximum firmness otherwise when you crest and turn it feels like the body is headed one way and the chassis the other."
Wills2 said:
I wonder how many people commenting on this thread have actually bought a new Porsche from a dealer?
Porsche couldn't give a fig what you think as most of you will never buy a new one, harsh but fair.
You probably didn't intend it to, but IMO that comes across as sounding quite arrogant. I also disagree with your point. Of course Porsche will care what people think. Just because someone hasn't bought a brand new Porsche from a dealer doesn't mean they can't afford to or won't in the future. The whole point on building something like this would be to attract new customers to the brand, not aim it only at these customers who have already bought a brand new Porsche. Porsche couldn't give a fig what you think as most of you will never buy a new one, harsh but fair.
You are right with your earlier comment that they would probably price it at £45k+. But who is to say that they won't later introduce a lower powered base model at around the £35k mark? It's at this point that I would be disappointed. I see so many mid to high end Mercs and BMWs near me that nothing in their range feels special to me, not even the most potent AMG or M models of the saloons trigger more than a mere quick second glance.
As someone who has always loved Porsches, I would hate it if I ended up feeling the same way about them as I do about BMWs.
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