Why can nobody drive in the snow

[Onehp]

otolith said:

Quite hard to find out exactly what those 11 year old statistics might represent.

Indeed. International safety statistics are expressed in injuries/miles driven for a reason.

Posted like that, injuries/crash, (edited) a car will look a lot safer if it is involved in a lot of small crashes...

Edited by Onehp on Friday 12th February 19:06

[21st Century Man]

otolith said:

Quite hard to find out exactly what those 11 year old statistics might represent.

The statistics of an 11 year old?

[PiesAreGreat]

anonymous-user said:

The sprinkling today was responsible for two accidents on the way to and from Witney today. People just can’t cope with slippery roads it seems?

I watched as one idiot was locked up and sailed over a mini roundabout, luckily nobody to drive into and several others locking wheels braking for traffic.

The obligatory idiot in a Range Rover was flashing drivers out of the way on the A40, presumably this one day in the South East he could show his cars full potential.

We spend how much on driver education and then don’t bother about low grip situations? Winter tyres should be mandatory for these idiots.

Should be fun up north tomorrow

This is really easy, we don't get much slow in the UK, but we have a large number of quite amazingly stupid people, people drive exactly the same way in rain or shine and as modern cars are mostly quite good, hence these people survive. Then some snow arrives and they still drive like it is a summers day, so jab the brakes, accelerate hard then you get the morons who think getting the back-end out on a road with cars parked on both sides in a good idea...

[300bhp/ton]

Good video if anyone is interested:

[swisstoni]

Lots of footage of massive 4x4s getting stranded in Texas suburbs.

[Onehp]

300bhp/ton said:

Good video if anyone is interested:

Great vid, channel has many more on the subject, mandatory watch for everyone wanting to post in this thread

[ghost83]

Over the last 20yrs of driving I’ve purposely gone out in bad snow to learn, I’ve gone across the moors I’ve got myself stuck and dug out again, I love driving in it

[Quisling]

300bhp/ton said:

Good video if anyone is interested:

No No No

I'm a REAL man and i can drive using slick tyres through 20 foot tall snow drifts while women through themselves at me

[anonymous-user]

Quisling said:

No No No

I'm a REAL man and i can drive using slick tyres through 20 foot tall snow drifts while women through themselves at me

Ah, so that's where my cast-offs go when I dump them.

[anonymous-user]

People forget they need to adapt and so end up driving like it is dry weather.
People also don't know how to prevent a skid so when it happens they provide the lock in the wrong direction and jump on the brakes.
People in a rush to get to work.
People having too much confidence in their car be it a 4 wheel drive system or winter mode setting.

Yes... I saw an accident too and I said to my colleague... that driver clearly did not care about the snow... it was more than a sprinkling... but hey ho... just got to keep away as you can't fix stupid.

[kiseca]

Super_G said:

People forget they need to adapt and so end up driving like it is dry weather.
People also don't know how to prevent a skid so when it happens they provide the lock in the wrong direction and jump on the brakes.
People in a rush to get to work.
People having too much confidence in their car be it a 4 wheel drive system or winter mode setting.

Yes... I saw an accident too and I said to my colleague... that driver clearly did not care about the snow... it was more than a sprinkling... but hey ho... just got to keep away as you can't fix stupid.

That's all true, but it doesn't matter what skill the driver has or what they decide to do when they suddenly need to brake or are confronted with that slippery incline, they'll do it better if they're on the best tyres for the conditions.

No driver is so good that better tyres will make no difference, and one thing all these videos show is that the tyres make a much bigger difference to the amount of available grip and control than any other single factor, whether it's 4wd, elite driving skills, electronic aids, planning ahead, or whatever. The tyres determine how much grip you have. All those other factors just determine how much of that available grip you manage to make use of.

In fact, I'd even argue that on UK snow, winter or even all season tyres make a bigger difference on their own than all those other factors combined. And in summer, summer tyres make a much smaller difference over all season tyres than any of those other factors on their own.

By difference, I mean to the safety of the driver and those around them.

Edited by kiseca on Friday 19th February 15:24

[300bhp/ton]

kiseca said:

That's all true, but it doesn't matter what skill the driver has or what they decide to do when they suddenly need to brake or are confronted with that slippery incline, they'll do it better if they're on the best tyres for the conditions.

Tyres probably only need to be 'suitable', rather than best. At the end of the day there are lots of other factors too. e.g. braking distances. The same tyres on different cars does not mean they'll stop in the same distance.

And probably very few place shortest braking distance as a main consideration when buying a car.

[Vipers]

300bhp/ton said:

kiseca said:

That's all true, but it doesn't matter what skill the driver has or what they decide to do when they suddenly need to brake or are confronted with that slippery incline, they'll do it better if they're on the best tyres for the conditions.

Tyres probably only need to be 'suitable', rather than best. At the end of the day there are lots of other factors too. e.g. braking distances. The same tyres on different cars does not mean they'll stop in the same distance.

And probably very few place shortest braking distance as a main consideration when buying a car.

Think the yanks have problems with snow, over 100 vehicles in one pile up in Texas the other day.

[biggbn]

Quisling said:

300bhp/ton said:

Good video if anyone is interested:

No No No

I'm a REAL man and i can drive using slick tyres through 20 foot tall snow drifts while women through themselves at me

I thought you would fit Everlasting tyres to stop yourself getting crossed up....

[kiseca]

300bhp/ton said:

kiseca said:

That's all true, but it doesn't matter what skill the driver has or what they decide to do when they suddenly need to brake or are confronted with that slippery incline, they'll do it better if they're on the best tyres for the conditions.

Tyres probably only need to be 'suitable', rather than best. At the end of the day there are lots of other factors too. e.g. braking distances. The same tyres on different cars does not mean they'll stop in the same distance.

And probably very few place shortest braking distance as a main consideration when buying a car.

Yes, that's what I meant. I meant the best type, not the specific best performing brand and model when used on the driver's particular vehicle.

[Onehp]

Fully agree kiseca on your point

[A.J.M]

swisstoni said:

Lots of footage of massive 4x4s getting stranded in Texas suburbs.

Got a link to some?

Could do with a giggle.

The 2018 Ford Expedition I had as a hire car did have 2H,4H and 4L.

But I recon my Freelander 2 could have ran rings round it off road.

[BertieWooster]

swisstoni said:

Lots of footage of massive 4x4s getting stranded in Texas suburbs.

A lot of the SUVs there will be RWD so that isn't suprising. It's fairly common in the parts of the country that don't (normally) get severe winter weather.

[lost in espace]

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/videos/galler...

Texan car curling.

I have crashed a Defender, at about 5mph into another car. Got distracted. Brand new car written off, Defender a bit dented. However everything in the boot swapped places with everything in the front. I really wouldn't recommend crashing one any faster.