Modern BMWs - The ultimate upperclass chav machine
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JimSuperSix said:
Nanook said:
JimSuperSix said:
You'll need to explain what you think you mean there, as I suspect things may have gone way over your head.
Edit: ah I see you own an Audi, so the insult-o-meter probably just went off the scale at the mere mention of the brand
My wife's transverse engined 4WD Audi has nothing to do with your lack of understanding Jim.Edit: ah I see you own an Audi, so the insult-o-meter probably just went off the scale at the mere mention of the brand
Can you explain how adding weight to the back of an Audi is going to help with understeer?
So:
- Audi - a brand typically known to have chronic understeer even in the 4wd hot versions. For reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpLzx9Z8Puw, any google search for "Audi understeer" and the endless list of frankly embarassing results.
- Audi - a brand typically known to have the huge heavy engine way out in front, causing the above.
- Adding weight rearwards - typically known to result in a lot more oversteer, for reference - any rear (or even mid) engine car, the Porsche 911 and its reputation.
- A Yo Mamma joke - probably not to be taken too literally and applied specifically to the car on your drive, no matter how apt it may be in this case.
Hope this helps, but I can't help but laugh at the irony of a person accusing me of not understanding under and oversteer, in reply to a joke about it that they didn't understand
Exige77 said:
JimSuperSix said:
Nanook said:
JimSuperSix said:
You'll need to explain what you think you mean there, as I suspect things may have gone way over your head.
Edit: ah I see you own an Audi, so the insult-o-meter probably just went off the scale at the mere mention of the brand
My wife's transverse engined 4WD Audi has nothing to do with your lack of understanding Jim.Edit: ah I see you own an Audi, so the insult-o-meter probably just went off the scale at the mere mention of the brand
Can you explain how adding weight to the back of an Audi is going to help with understeer?
So:
- Audi - a brand typically known to have chronic understeer even in the 4wd hot versions. For reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpLzx9Z8Puw, any google search for "Audi understeer" and the endless list of frankly embarassing results.
- Audi - a brand typically known to have the huge heavy engine way out in front, causing the above.
- Adding weight rearwards - typically known to result in a lot more oversteer, for reference - any rear (or even mid) engine car, the Porsche 911 and its reputation.
- A Yo Mamma joke - probably not to be taken too literally and applied specifically to the car on your drive, no matter how apt it may be in this case.
Hope this helps, but I can't help but laugh at the irony of a person accusing me of not understanding under and oversteer, in reply to a joke about it that they didn't understand
JimSuperSix said:
Exige77 said:
JimSuperSix said:
Nanook said:
JimSuperSix said:
You'll need to explain what you think you mean there, as I suspect things may have gone way over your head.
Edit: ah I see you own an Audi, so the insult-o-meter probably just went off the scale at the mere mention of the brand
My wife's transverse engined 4WD Audi has nothing to do with your lack of understanding Jim.Edit: ah I see you own an Audi, so the insult-o-meter probably just went off the scale at the mere mention of the brand
Can you explain how adding weight to the back of an Audi is going to help with understeer?
So:
- Audi - a brand typically known to have chronic understeer even in the 4wd hot versions. For reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpLzx9Z8Puw, any google search for "Audi understeer" and the endless list of frankly embarassing results.
- Audi - a brand typically known to have the huge heavy engine way out in front, causing the above.
- Adding weight rearwards - typically known to result in a lot more oversteer, for reference - any rear (or even mid) engine car, the Porsche 911 and its reputation.
- A Yo Mamma joke - probably not to be taken too literally and applied specifically to the car on your drive, no matter how apt it may be in this case.
Hope this helps, but I can't help but laugh at the irony of a person accusing me of not understanding under and oversteer, in reply to a joke about it that they didn't understand
ds.JimSuperSix said:
Yes, this is exactly how the 911 and various rear and mid-engine vehicles got their reputations for understeer instead of snap-oversteer.
....oh wait....
Actually 911s do tend towards understeer. If you watch anyone racing them (especially old ones), you’ll see that they tend to turn into corners on the brakes, using the weight transfer to negate the natural tendency to understeer. The trouble comes when the back end has already started sliding and you need to stop it - this is hard because there is a lot of weight (hence a lot of momentum) out there.....oh wait....
So the reputation for ‘snap oversteer’ for rear- and mid-engined cars is nothing to do with the tendency of oversteer initially, it’s more about the difficulty of correcting it once it’s started.
EDIT: the other particular problem with the 911 layout is that not only does braking (as in all cars) shift weight forwards it also (as in all cars) raises up the rear end a little. Now if you’re just lifting a bumper, no big deal, but if you lift up an engine (a lot of mass) whilst turning you’ll induce a bigger roll moment which is even more likely to induce some oversteer by overloading the outside rear tyre.
PS I thought the joke was very funny even if the understanding of vehicle dynamics contained within it was totally wrong.
Edited by Polite M135 driver on Sunday 23 September 17:52
Polite M135 driver said:
JimSuperSix said:
Yes, this is exactly how the 911 and various rear and mid-engine vehicles got their reputations for understeer instead of snap-oversteer.
....oh wait....
Actually 911s do tend towards understeer. If you watch anyone racing them (especially old ones), you’ll see that they tend to turn into corners on the brakes, using the weight transfer to negate the natural tendency to understeer. The trouble comes when the back end has already started sliding and you need to stop it - this is hard because there is a lot of weight (hence a lot of momentum) out there.....oh wait....
So the reputation for ‘snap oversteer’ for rear- and mid-engined cars is nothing to do with the tendency of oversteer initially, it’s more about the difficulty of correcting it once it’s started.
Yo Momma is so fat, if we made her sit in the boot (assuming she is riding in the Avant version and providing the optional rear parcel shelf code B281-BLX is not installed (see owners manual) and the car in question is on Goodyear YippyKyAy tyres and not Bridgestones MFs) it would cure your Audi's terminal understeer (providing she only moves to the back once the initial cornering phase is done and the driver is not of class D5 and above and assuming the vehicle is not equipped with a DSG gearbox and Xenon headlights.)
Nanook said:
JimSuperSix said:
Yes, this is exactly how the 911 and various rear and mid-engine vehicles got their reputations for understeer instead of snap-oversteer.
....oh wait....
Consider a 911 then. RWD, PLENTY of power, weight hanging out over the driven wheels. ....oh wait....
If we put someone's 'fat mamma' in the front bonnet, the end that already has enough grip, is that going to reduce the oversteer?
In your Audi example, the front understeers because the mass is all hanging out the front. Adding weight to the rear will have a small impact on the CoG, as well as increasing the grip up to a point, at the rear. Once the extra mass and lateral acceleration exceed the grip available at the rear tyres, yes, the back will slide, so yes, it will potentially reduce understeer by introducing some oversteer, but the overall result is that the car is not going to accelerate, brake or steer and change direction as quickly as it did before.
As a general rule, adding weight does not aid handing.
Nanook said:
JimSuperSix said:
Why would Yo Mamma want to aid the handling? She hates your Audi too.
You tell me, you're the one that wanted to put her in the boot, this was your idea 
If you don't understand I can try and use smaller words for you?
Or since you were acting like a bit of a prick and I've tried to be civil, perhaps you could try and act your age too, and we can move on?
Brooking10 said:
My contribution is clear
I’m genuinely intrigued as to why people would get so exercised about what cars other people drive such that they would take to the internet and make fairly unpleasant and very sweeping comments about them.
Equally I am genuinely intrigued as to why you, as a person who is so interested and effectively glued to this thread more than any other which after all is wholly concerned with BMW chaviness, is so openly defensive about those BMW drivers who clearly fall into the Chav camp such as those already talked about I.e. illegal BMW Chavplaters and BMW 'Chavparkers.'I’m genuinely intrigued as to why people would get so exercised about what cars other people drive such that they would take to the internet and make fairly unpleasant and very sweeping comments about them.
Could it be that you are in fact a closet Chav? Your extreme defensive stance on these matters of absolute chavvery would certainly suggest you are.
yonex said:
av185 said:
True.
But it is quite clear that the majority of miscreants in the self entitlement camp drive so called 'aspirational' BMWs Audis and Mercedes.
Like yourself, M3 I believe?But it is quite clear that the majority of miscreants in the self entitlement camp drive so called 'aspirational' BMWs Audis and Mercedes.
Nor do I Chav park.
Believe it or not some BMWs don't. Perhaps yours did.
Do you find this so hard to understand.?
Not the sharpest tool
in the drawer are you. Never mind. 
av185 said:
Brooking10 said:
My contribution is clear
I’m genuinely intrigued as to why people would get so exercised about what cars other people drive such that they would take to the internet and make fairly unpleasant and very sweeping comments about them.
Equally I am genuinely intrigued as to why you, as a person who is so interested and effectively glued to this thread more than any other which after all is wholly concerned with BMW chaviness, is so openly defensive about those BMW drivers who clearly fall into the Chav camp such as those already talked about I.e. illegal BMW Chavplaters and BMW 'Chavparkers.'I’m genuinely intrigued as to why people would get so exercised about what cars other people drive such that they would take to the internet and make fairly unpleasant and very sweeping comments about them.
Could it be that you are in fact a closet Chav? Your extreme defensive stance on these matters of absolute chavvery would certainly suggest you are.
Your response is quite illuminating though
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 September 20:25
Brooking10 said:
av185 said:
Brooking10 said:
if you can old chap ?
Is this you old chap?Edited by Brooking10 on Sunday 23 September 20:23
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And to use your phrase...most illuminating.
:Old chap.
Wooda80 said:
roadsmash said:
Please don’t turn this into another lease thread!
How dare you!I'll have you know av185 paid cash for his E92 M3, as I'm sure he has for the half million pounds worth of Pork in his garage. He must be on really good terms with the DP at his local Porsche Centre
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