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Fast Bug said:
It's not popular at all as it doesn't take options in to account either. Nor does it reflect that current auction prices for most vehicles are above 'book' which means the selling price to the customer would be higher. There are also examples of identical cars being advertised with different markers. Auto Trader seem to be forgetting who is their customer and upsetting them in droves
But when it comes to part exchange dealers always say that optional extras don’t add anything to the value of the car! 😀Fast Bug said:
Dedders said:
But when it comes to part exchange dealers always say that optional extras don’t add anything to the value of the car! ??
There's been lots of posts here from dealers saying some do. Lots don't, but things like navigation, pan roofs etc do.It can be the same with rare colours, when selling you are told that the colour makes the car harder to sell but when looking to buy its rarer so more desirable.
It’s all part of the fun!
Dedders said:
I’ve always accepted when adding options to a car you will lose out on them financially when you come to sell. It just amuses me how when you are selling they are never worth anything but if purchasing used they increase the value.
It can be the same with rare colours, when selling you are told that the colour makes the car harder to sell but when looking to buy its rarer so more desirable.
It’s all part of the fun!
+1 and yep, I guess it's all part and parcel of the buying/ selling experience!It can be the same with rare colours, when selling you are told that the colour makes the car harder to sell but when looking to buy its rarer so more desirable.
It’s all part of the fun!
Still a popular one, being told optional extras make no difference when trading in but it becomes the complete opposite when trade are selling the car?!
lord trumpton said:
A lot of the smaller independent traders are all over instagram.
I know privately AT are bloody expensive. Like £50 for a few weeks.
I think they are going to blow out a bit like photobucket did a few years back.
AT listings are too slow compared to social media I guess
AT isnt too bad actually £80 until sold!I know privately AT are bloody expensive. Like £50 for a few weeks.
I think they are going to blow out a bit like photobucket did a few years back.
AT listings are too slow compared to social media I guess
Nickp82 said:
Options have little to no bearing on the sales commission - the add-on products (GAP, Paint Protection etc) are what earns the good money!
I agreed a deal on a new car today. Told the guy I did not want GAP or Paint Protection. He called back 10m later to say the car he thought was available in the system was no longer available!2010spy said:
Nickp82 said:
Options have little to no bearing on the sales commission - the add-on products (GAP, Paint Protection etc) are what earns the good money!
I agreed a deal on a new car today. Told the guy I did not want GAP or Paint Protection. He called back 10m later to say the car he thought was available in the system was no longer available!2010spy said:
I agreed a deal on a new car today. Told the guy I did not want GAP or Paint Protection. He called back 10m later to say the car he thought was available in the system was no longer available!
Did they offer an alternative? This happened to one of my colleagues with a mega deal on a stock BMW 5 Series. They were just going to return his deposit until our legal guy gently reminded them that a contract was in place, money had changed hands and a delivery date agreed.Sheepshanks said:
2010spy said:
I agreed a deal on a new car today. Told the guy I did not want GAP or Paint Protection. He called back 10m later to say the car he thought was available in the system was no longer available!
Did they offer an alternative? This happened to one of my colleagues with a mega deal on a stock BMW 5 Series. They were just going to return his deposit until our legal guy gently reminded them that a contract was in place, money had changed hands and a delivery date agreed.It just takes another website to gain traction. Here in NI people were getting fed up with autotraders high prices and a guy started an alternative website called used cars ni. Charged £5 for 2 weeks including a magazine similar to autotraders at the time. Exploded with popularity.
As time went on he increased his prices and ironically its basically on par with autotrader now. Even checking this morning he has 23k cars listed in northern ireland compared to 12k for autotrader. I'd say he's earned a fortune along the way by doing the right thing at the right time.
As time went on he increased his prices and ironically its basically on par with autotrader now. Even checking this morning he has 23k cars listed in northern ireland compared to 12k for autotrader. I'd say he's earned a fortune along the way by doing the right thing at the right time.
Fast Bug said:
I think a lot of dealers are still with Auto Trader out of habit, but I am seeing quite a lot of chat from dealers that have dropped Auto Trader altogether and others that are reducing the amount of vehicles they list with them.
I had a night out with a couple of Autotrader directors in the past week or so. One of which is the main guy behind implementing these price markers. He has only hada few death threats from car dealers not as many as I expected.I understand the reasons for them bringing them in and actually feel most can see past them. For run of the mill stuff makes sense for customers. On higher spec cars in a rare model I don't think they are great. I would sooner they didn't have them but they are not going anywhere. Just got to hope buyers are not daft. Its hugely unpopular across the trade on the whole and has seen a big upsurge in cancellations. More and more dealers are surviving without Autotrader.
zainster said:
Dedders said:
I’ve always accepted when adding options to a car you will lose out on them financially when you come to sell. It just amuses me how when you are selling they are never worth anything but if purchasing used they increase the value.
It can be the same with rare colours, when selling you are told that the colour makes the car harder to sell but when looking to buy its rarer so more desirable.
It’s all part of the fun!
+1 and yep, I guess it's all part and parcel of the buying/ selling experience!It can be the same with rare colours, when selling you are told that the colour makes the car harder to sell but when looking to buy its rarer so more desirable.
It’s all part of the fun!
Still a popular one, being told optional extras make no difference when trading in but it becomes the complete opposite when trade are selling the car?!
te offer then chances are they won't trade with me. I only buy well specced german cars, wish I could get them without paying fortunes. If any of you ever need a bid on stuff thats been lowballed at a main dealer when trading in or fancy some assistance / guidance around what its actually worth feel free to email me via profile or ask on the thread always happy to help. Bought a couple of cars via PH users that have got in touch that way and would say I have paid more for nice retail ready cars.
We cancelled years go. I think they used to have a reporting rule that if someone searched for say Renault Clios in a particular postcode, then (at any time) someone in that postcode bought a Clio we had to report it as a sale from AT. Mental.
It's a bit like Carwow with their 'if they got a price from us, even if you didn't quote it, you need to pay us' rule.
It's a bit like Carwow with their 'if they got a price from us, even if you didn't quote it, you need to pay us' rule.
I’ll look on AT and PH for a car, but not eBay. Both AT and PH have their advantages: you can see the listing date on AT, which makes it easier to know if the car has been sitting around for a long time, and they still offer a larger number of cars, so you can get a feel for the price / spec of the ones you’re looking at. I don’t pay pay much attention to the high/fair/low markers other than I’d want to see an explanation in the ad why a particular car was higher priced (e.g. options spelt out).
PH has more filter options and allows you to choose more than one manufacturer at a time (e.g. I’m looking for a 4 seat convertible, but don’t want a BMW). They also tend to have more interesting cars.
What I don’t want to do is go to half a dozen different websites to find my next car: that’s back to the bad old days of just accepting what your local dealer(s) had in stock.
So AT / PH should consider their dealers, to maintain choice and dealers should try to keep listing there to have a larger number of customers seeing their ads.
PH has more filter options and allows you to choose more than one manufacturer at a time (e.g. I’m looking for a 4 seat convertible, but don’t want a BMW). They also tend to have more interesting cars.
What I don’t want to do is go to half a dozen different websites to find my next car: that’s back to the bad old days of just accepting what your local dealer(s) had in stock.
So AT / PH should consider their dealers, to maintain choice and dealers should try to keep listing there to have a larger number of customers seeing their ads.
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