RE: Alpine A110: Driven
Discussion
s m said:
blade7 said:
s m said:
Probably, I get what Jacko was saying though which I think was people put some old stuff like the S2 on a bit of a pedestal which gets ever heightened over time.
I think he said 944, which I took to mean all of 944s. Bearing in mind plenty could be on better suspension and tyres than they were 30 years ago, it's not unreasonably to expect advancement.bob2146 said:
They are saying in their test it is faster than the Porsche quoted figure for the Cayman S.
I think they tested a Cayman S at 3.6s. Would be interesting to see the A110 tested as well at 1100kgs...
Don't car and driver do some weird rolling start thing for their 0-100km tests? i.e. it is not really 0-anything so they always come in below standard acceleration times which measure from a standing start?I think they tested a Cayman S at 3.6s. Would be interesting to see the A110 tested as well at 1100kgs...
Edited by bob2146 on Monday 2nd April 12:26
Hitch said:
Don't car and driver do some weird rolling start thing for their 0-100km tests? i.e. it is not really 0-anything so they always come in below standard acceleration times which measure from a standing start?
Yes, but it's not weird - it's a better indicator of real world performance. Few muppets are daft enough to sit at the traffic lights with engine revving at 4000 rpm and then drop the clutch.amongst other things it removes the relatively artificial advantage that any 4wd car has for the first few metres from a standing start.
Hitch said:
Don't car and driver do some weird rolling start thing for their 0-100km tests? i.e. it is not really 0-anything so they always come in below standard acceleration times which measure from a standing start?
0-100k times are pretty meaningless. The A110 is about as fast as the Base 718 - not the S - to 160kph. But to get fixated about times is to completely miss the point. The A110 is not about bar bragging it's about car that is agile and FUN. It's fast enough for the vast majority in the UK. If you want bar bragging rights, the badge or bling then the A110 isn't your sort of car - get yourself a Porsche.blade7 said:
Why would someone plonk down £50k+ for this french clutter, when they could buy a better Lotus?
I am not sure that a £50k Lotus is necessarily better, and that's coming from a Lotus owner. A new £50k Lotus would be pretty annoying as a daily driver for instance, whereas I think the Alpine would be easier to live with. I think that the Elise and Alpine probably don't quite have the same target market.blade7 said:
Why would someone plonk down £50k+ for this french clutter, when they could buy a better Lotus?
Presumably because they've forgotten Renault's last attempt, the Renault Sport Spider, was blown out of the water when Elise was launched. However, that was 20 years ago and Lotus think they can now charge £100k for a warmed-over version of fundamentally the same car. This £50 Renault Alpine might just cut the mustard although, as ever, 50 pages of internet enthusiasm won't amount to a row of beans unless punters actually buy the cars. We all know what happened to Toyota GT86 and Alfa 4C.blade7 said:
Why would someone plonk down £50k+ for this french clutter, when they could buy a better Lotus?
A Lotus Elise/Exige is nothing like as practical as a daily car and an Evora is far more expensive. And I speak as a Lotus fan and ex-owner of a couple. Lotus have nothing that competes with the Alpine (or Cayman for that matter) on both practicality and cost.The fact that you can make no more objective comment than "french clutter" suggests that you haven't taken the trouble to seriously look at the car or read the (pretty eulogistic) press reports.
rockin said:
r. This £50 Renault Alpine might just cut the mustard although, as ever, 50 pages of internet enthusiasm won't amount to a row of beans unless punters actually buy the cars. We all know what happened to Toyota GT86 and Alfa 4C.
The fact that they have deposits for more than 5500 cars - over a year's production - does amount to quite a bit more than 50 pages of internet enthusiam.bcr5784 said:
The fact that you can make no more objective comment than "french clutter" suggests that you haven't taken the trouble to seriously look at the car or read the (pretty eulogistic) press reports.
A brief test of a pre- production car by fan boys on a jolly, maybe they could put a TVR badge on it too.blade7 said:
bcr5784 said:
The fact that you can make no more objective comment than "french clutter" suggests that you haven't taken the trouble to seriously look at the car or read the (pretty eulogistic) press reports.
A brief test of a pre- production car by fan boys on a jolly, maybe they could put a TVR badge on it too.
Just caught up with this thread after TG episode.
Find it funny that everyone keeps going in about perfomance figures vs Cayman, when Alpine from day one have constantly stated the car is not about 0-60 or track times, but more about the fun factor, All the reviews I have seen have confirmed they have achieved this to a great success,
I feel the Alpine is closer to Lotus in terms philosophy of weight reduction, fun factor etc. Not surprising then as a Lotus owner I have the PE on order.
Re price, take away the badge snobbery, look at the spec of the car build and then the fact it’s sold out with large waiting lists , it’s hard to argue the car represents good value to those who want one,
Lastly the like / dislike for the car shows how subjective cars are for us all. No one is right or wrong . We all like different cars and thank god for that otherwise the roads and cars meets would be boring
Find it funny that everyone keeps going in about perfomance figures vs Cayman, when Alpine from day one have constantly stated the car is not about 0-60 or track times, but more about the fun factor, All the reviews I have seen have confirmed they have achieved this to a great success,
I feel the Alpine is closer to Lotus in terms philosophy of weight reduction, fun factor etc. Not surprising then as a Lotus owner I have the PE on order.
Re price, take away the badge snobbery, look at the spec of the car build and then the fact it’s sold out with large waiting lists , it’s hard to argue the car represents good value to those who want one,
Lastly the like / dislike for the car shows how subjective cars are for us all. No one is right or wrong . We all like different cars and thank god for that otherwise the roads and cars meets would be boring
bcr5784 said:
Hitch said:
Don't car and driver do some weird rolling start thing for their 0-100km tests? i.e. it is not really 0-anything so they always come in below standard acceleration times which measure from a standing start?
0-100k times are pretty meaningless. The A110 is about as fast as the Base 718 - not the S - to 160kph. But to get fixated about times is to completely miss the point. The A110 is not about bar bragging it's about car that is agile and FUN. It's fast enough for the vast majority in the UK. If you want bar bragging rights, the badge or bling then the A110 isn't your sort of car - get yourself a Porsche.I've spent the afternoon hooning around exmoor and fast 0-60 times wouldn't be advantageous , i'd rather have something with great handling and carry corner speed than launching a car down the straights before braking heavily for the corners .
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