The Best ///M/Barge/Look at This/Rant Thread [Volume 2]
Discussion
tdm34ds said:
If you do an insurance search it comes up as a normal 735i not an Alpina
so I assume it's a Sytner conversion?
They weren't officially UK homologated production cars IIRC which is why they come up as the model they were imported as/based upon prior to the conversion work carried out here. Which means verification with Sytner themselves to ensure it's a bona fide Alpina.so I assume it's a Sytner conversion?
Edited by tdm34ds on Saturday 2nd October 13:34
Interesting point though, I'm not sure how imported models that the UK never got (E34 Bi-Turbos for example) show up. Depends when they recieved manufacturer status in UK (1983 in their home market if memory serves) as to when they show up as Alpinas I assume.
The real Apache said:
C'mon ferry dish the dirt, why was it so bad?
The worst things about it after 20k:I hated the steering. Lightning fast, no feel, I didnt like it at all in the wet. Im in a minority on that viewpoint though.
Rear 3/4 window blew out on mine at 70ish leptons on the M1.
The usual TVR sorting problems. On mine the most annoying being the throttle cable and the radiator. Air con was lousy, but I never cared about that.
Heatsoak from the transmission tunnel.
Oh the clutch going at 19k due to the "unique" TVR application of the AP clutch system.
Oh and then whatever DM did to my car after a major service with them. It wasnt the same after.
4988cc said:
tdm34ds said:
If you do an insurance search it comes up as a normal 735i not an Alpina
so I assume it's a Sytner conversion?
They weren't officially UK homologated production cars IIRC which is why they come up as the model they were imported as/based upon prior to the conversion work carried out here. Which means verification with Sytner themselves to ensure it's a bona fide Alpina.so I assume it's a Sytner conversion?
Edited by tdm34ds on Saturday 2nd October 13:34
Interesting point though, I'm not sure how imported models that the UK never got (E34 Bi-Turbos for example) show up. Depends when they recieved manufacturer status in UK (1983 in their home market if memory serves) as to when they show up as Alpinas I assume.
The 3.5 engined cars were Sytner specials built in Nottingham rather than Bavaria. The spec of these cars varies hugely as they were entirely bespoke aftermarket packages; it was possible to have the engine mods and nothing else, and vice-versa.
Chucking out about 260bhp (IIRC) they're not shabby.
Plotloss said:
tdm34ds said:
Plotloss said:
Scouse, chop chop, get down there in a tracksuit with three and 'arf in dirty readies and get it bought.
Matty i'm thinking of taking a dirty diesel focus down and swapping it for thatand wall mounting my old 507XD in a bedroom so this weekend is out.
But i'm off on Thursday so I may sachet Southwards then, after doing the usual
checks.
Dunk76 said:
It was possible to have the engine mods and nothing else, and vice-versa.
now that bit I didn't know, that you could have a cosmetic Alpina only, always assumed it was the full package of mechanical fettling, upgrades and re-upholstery and wood trim etc. Interesting.Dunk76 said:
Chucking out about 260bhp (IIRC) they're not shabby
That's why I think I;d be content with chopping the '50 for one. -40bhp but also minus quite a few kilos over the pointy end too. The M30 cars do have more pleasant steering/front end feel allowing more accurate positioning, the twelve counters that defecit with great gobs of torque (any ideas on the B11 3.5 in that respect? 300 lb ft+ is a nice amount in a two tonne car, less starts to feel a bit too much like work) everywhere.So the idea of a 735i with near 740/750 grunt appeals hugely, allowing a bit of leeway for Alpina's notoriously conservative claims deisgined not to steal too much thunder from the top BMW model and I reckon there's barely much between them in th eseat of the pants sense, plus losing the horrifically and needlessly complicated SLS would be an upside
...but then E32 B12s do crop up now and then, thankfully at wonderfully prohibitively mental prices
4988cc said:
now that bit I didn't know, that you could have a cosmetic Alpina only Sytner parts-bin jobby, always assumed it was the full package of mechanical fettling, upgrades and re-upholstery and wood trim etc. Interesting.
EFAAlpina don't do cosmetics only. Sytner were more than happy to sell-out, which is why they don't build Alpinas anymore.
Seek said:
4988cc said:
now that bit I didn't know, that you could have a cosmetic Alpina only Sytner parts-bin jobby, always assumed it was the full package of mechanical fettling, upgrades and re-upholstery and wood trim etc. Interesting.
EFAAlpina don't do cosmetics only. Sytner were more than happy to sell-out, which is why they don't build Alpinas anymore.
4988cc said:
Dunk76 said:
It was possible to have the engine mods and nothing else, and vice-versa.
now that bit I didn't know, that you could have a cosmetic Alpina only, always assumed it was the full package of mechanical fettling, upgrades and re-upholstery and wood trim etc. Interesting.Dunk76 said:
Chucking out about 260bhp (IIRC) they're not shabby
That's why I think I;d be content with chopping the '50 for one. -40bhp but also minus quite a few kilos over the pointy end too. The M30 cars do have more pleasant steering/front end feel allowing more accurate positioning, the twelve counters that defecit with great gobs of torque (any ideas on the B11 3.5 in that respect? 300 lb ft+ is a nice amount in a two tonne car, less starts to feel a bit too much like work) everywhere.So the idea of a 735i with near 740/750 grunt appeals hugely, allowing a bit of leeway for Alpina's notoriously conservative claims deisgined not to steal too much thunder from the top BMW model and I reckon there's barely much between them in th eseat of the pants sense, plus losing the horrifically and needlessly complicated SLS would be an upside
...but then E32 B12s do crop up now and then, thankfully at wonderfully prohibitively mental prices
However, looking past the coach stripes, wheels, and 'dozer blade nailed to the front;
Engine Size................3430cc
Engine Assistance.......N/A
Engine Type...............straight 6
Gear Box....................-speed automatic
Power........................252bhp
(rpm..........................@rpm)
Torque........................240lb ft
(rpm..........................@rpm)
I think that the 3.5 was on it's last legs by 1990 - probably a much nicer proposition in an E24 or E28
Edited by Dunk76 on Saturday 2nd October 15:33
To be honest, I'd probably rather take a punt on this tomorrow afternoon;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Spanish gearbox, and no reserve.
Take it from me, you'll never tire of the way the 3.3 engine sounds or goes.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Spanish gearbox, and no reserve.
Take it from me, you'll never tire of the way the 3.3 engine sounds or goes.
Dunk76 said:
Only on the Sytner cars, and I think they'd largely stopped doing it by 1990.
However, looking past the coach stripes, wheels, and 'dozer blade nailed to the front;
Engine Size................3430cc
Engine Assistance.......N/A
Engine Type...............straight 6
Gear Box....................-speed automatic
Power........................252bhp
(rpm..........................@rpm)
Torque........................240lb ft
(rpm..........................@rpm)
I think that the 3.5 was on it's last legs by 1990 - probably a much nicer proposition in an E24 or E28
Cheers Dunk, I like the cosmetics of that period Alpinas (and most since, far more than any factory Sport/M Sport styling where applied), yes including the stripes However, looking past the coach stripes, wheels, and 'dozer blade nailed to the front;
Engine Size................3430cc
Engine Assistance.......N/A
Engine Type...............straight 6
Gear Box....................-speed automatic
Power........................252bhp
(rpm..........................@rpm)
Torque........................240lb ft
(rpm..........................@rpm)
I think that the 3.5 was on it's last legs by 1990 - probably a much nicer proposition in an E24 or E28
Edited by Dunk76 on Saturday 2nd October 15:33
but 240 lb ft isn't enough to feel "effortless" in that weight of car IMO.In an E28 that'd appeal more as you say, in an E30 as a B6 3.5 (or especially as a B6 3.5 S) it'd be irresistably amusing - as prices reflect.
Still, it looks very, very good and with £3-3.5k in folding to play with, I'd be making a short trip up the road. I'd have to really want the plate (about which I'm not fussed) to go more.
Dunk76 said:
To be honest, I'd probably rather take a punt on this tomorrow afternoon;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Spanish gearbox, and no reserve.
Take it from me, you'll never tire of the way the 3.3 engine sounds or goes.
thats a pearler dunk, but I need it to be at a dealer so I can p/x the http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...
Spanish gearbox, and no reserve.
Take it from me, you'll never tire of the way the 3.3 engine sounds or goes.
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