One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[Tyre Tread]

nonsequitur said:

I could say that you've got the hump, but that is far too obvious.

Why change the habit of a lifetime?

[nonsequitur]

Tyre Tread said:

nonsequitur said:

I could say that you've got the hump, but that is far too obvious.

Why change the habit of a lifetime?

You are too late for that party TT.

[Tyre Tread]

nonsequitur said:

Tyre Tread said:

nonsequitur said:

I could say that you've got the hump, but that is far too obvious.

Why change the habit of a lifetime?

You are too late for that party TT.

I think you'll find I've book ended it

[Tommo87]

All of the people going out of their way to invent reasons for not bothering to follow the guidance on exercise, within a realistic distance.

Because of them, the government is now looking to toughen the measures up.


Extra knob points, for saying that the law doesn't stop them for doing what they want, so they do it on principle.
Bonus knob points, for those going actively going out of their way to help strangers out to do the same.


Forget Covid, some people seem infected with an extreme dose of their own self importance.

[carlove]

Tommo87 said:

All of the people going out of their way to invent reasons for not bothering to follow the guidance on exercise, within a realistic distance.

Because of them, the government is now looking to toughen the measures up.


Extra knob points, for saying that the law doesn't stop them for doing what they want, so they do it on principle.
Bonus knob points, for those going actively going out of their way to help strangers out to do the same.


Forget Covid, some people seem infected with an extreme dose of their own self importance.

Then they’ll call you a lemming for not being a knob.

I’d say I’m not a lemming, I would rather the virus wouldn’t keep being spread around, so at some point in the future we can actually go back to being able to enjoy ourselves safely. By June would be nice, don’t want another lockdown birthday.

Surely it’s pretty obvious the more people follow the rules, the less it’ll spread and the sooner lockdowns will end?! I don’t like the lockdown, nobody does, but any decent person will understand why it’s in place.

[LetsTryAgain]

carlove said:

Surely it’s pretty obvious the more people follow the rules, the less it’ll spread and the sooner lockdowns will end?! I don’t like the lockdown, nobody does, but any decent person will understand why it’s in place.

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

[carlove]

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

[markyb_lcy]

carlove said:

Tommo87 said:

All of the people going out of their way to invent reasons for not bothering to follow the guidance on exercise, within a realistic distance.

Because of them, the government is now looking to toughen the measures up.


Extra knob points, for saying that the law doesn't stop them for doing what they want, so they do it on principle.
Bonus knob points, for those going actively going out of their way to help strangers out to do the same.


Forget Covid, some people seem infected with an extreme dose of their own self importance.

Then they’ll call you a lemming for not being a knob.

I’d say I’m not a lemming, I would rather the virus wouldn’t keep being spread around, so at some point in the future we can actually go back to being able to enjoy ourselves safely. By June would be nice, don’t want another lockdown birthday.

Surely it’s pretty obvious the more people follow the rules, the less it’ll spread and the sooner lockdowns will end?! I don’t like the lockdown, nobody does, but any decent person will understand why it’s in place.

People are less stupid than the “rules” (which in the instance you cite is guidance, not rules) give them credit for.

Most know that whether they drive 2 miles to a quiet space for exercise vs 10 miles, is going to make no difference whatsoever to transmission.

In some cases (such as when people live in highly populated areas) travelling a greater distance to a quiet space to exercise outdoors will present LESS transmission opportunities than staying local.

So no, I wouldn’t agree that everyone blindly following the guidance represents unequivocally the least transmission opportunities. Perhaps that’s why it’s “guidance” and therefore open to some interpretation.

The legislation has the last word.

[carlove]

markyb_lcy said:

People are less stupid than the “rules” (which in the instance you cite is guidance, not rules) give them credit for.

Most know that whether they drive 2 miles to a quiet space for exercise vs 10 miles, is going to make no difference whatsoever to transmission.

In some cases (such as when people live in highly populated areas) travelling a greater distance to a quiet space to exercise outdoors will present LESS transmission opportunities than staying local.

So no, I wouldn’t agree that everyone blindly following the guidance represents unequivocally the least transmission opportunities. Perhaps that’s why it’s “guidance” and therefore open to some interpretation.

The legislation has the last word.

I do agree that some of the legislation is slightly nonsensical, namely not being able to drive to exercise.
I live in the city, a 20 minute drive would take me to the countryside with no one around.

My comments are more towards the do what they like brigade, meeting friends, not wearing masks (without a genuine reason).

I see no issue with someone driving their car to the countryside for a walk, that’s not going to spread the virus. I won’t, I’m on a bad luck streak right now so I’d get a fine before I reach the bypass!

Going round to your mates for a coffee, being too important to wear a mask in Tesco (I’ll again say without good reason) is going to spread the virus.


I do worry about the financial impact, I do think the November lockdown was a waste of time, but I think this one is justified, but until late March? That’s where I worry about the long term financial effects.

[markyb_lcy]

carlove said:

markyb_lcy said:

People are less stupid than the “rules” (which in the instance you cite is guidance, not rules) give them credit for.

Most know that whether they drive 2 miles to a quiet space for exercise vs 10 miles, is going to make no difference whatsoever to transmission.

In some cases (such as when people live in highly populated areas) travelling a greater distance to a quiet space to exercise outdoors will present LESS transmission opportunities than staying local.

So no, I wouldn’t agree that everyone blindly following the guidance represents unequivocally the least transmission opportunities. Perhaps that’s why it’s “guidance” and therefore open to some interpretation.

The legislation has the last word.

I do agree that some of the legislation is slightly nonsensical, namely not being able to drive to exercise.
I live in the city, a 20 minute drive would take me to the countryside with no one around.

My comments are more towards the do what they like brigade, meeting friends, not wearing masks (without a genuine reason).

I see no issue with someone driving their car to the countryside for a walk, that’s not going to spread the virus. I won’t, I’m on a bad luck streak right now so I’d get a fine before I reach the bypass!

Going round to your mates for a coffee, being too important to wear a mask in Tesco (I’ll again say without good reason) is going to spread the virus.


I do worry about the financial impact, I do think the November lockdown was a waste of time, but I think this one is justified, but until late March? That’s where I worry about the long term financial effects.

I think we are on the same page about this current lockdown. I reluctantly support it. I didn’t support lockdown 2.0 however and I didn’t support continued restrictions throughout summer. In fact I believe some of those restrictions in the better times last year have exacerbated the winter problem.

Unfortunately in this country we have a section of society who will not follow rules, no matter what shaming and scorning is poured on them. If we had cracked that one, there would be no crime

Any solution we come up with has to consider and accept this, difficult as it may be, because the state doesn’t have the resources to force every non-complier comply and the shaming isn’t going to work either.

Additionally, piling ever more rules on already compliant people is unlikely to make much difference and in fact just frustrates people.

I actually believe at this stage that the lawful and guidance approved activities of our society (workplaces, chiefly) probably represent far more transmissions than the non-compilers.

What I find particularly funny (from some people) is the suggestion that it’s non-compliant people doing all the spreading but that the victims are all innocents.

[Gary29]

On the subject of snow, we had a half decent fall last week, couple of inches, I went to work at 7am and the roads weren't in the best condition, dark, freezing temps and snow/slush on the road, reduced my speed accordingly and still had some tt tailgating the fk out of me.

[sxmwht]

markyb_lcy said:

Unfortunately in this country we have a section of society who will not follow rules, no matter what shaming and scorning is poured on them. If we had cracked that one, there would be no crime

Any solution we come up with has to consider and accept this, difficult as it may be, because the state doesn’t have the resources to force every non-complier comply and the shaming isn’t going to work either.

Unfortunately the British public are some of the most stubborn people in the world, yet when their nan ends up in hospital, it's tHe GovErNmeNt'S fAuLt

[markyb_lcy]

sxmwht said:

markyb_lcy said:

Unfortunately in this country we have a section of society who will not follow rules, no matter what shaming and scorning is poured on them. If we had cracked that one, there would be no crime

Any solution we come up with has to consider and accept this, difficult as it may be, because the state doesn’t have the resources to force every non-complier comply and the shaming isn’t going to work either.

Unfortunately the British public are some of the most stubborn people in the world, yet when their nan ends up in hospital, it's tHe GovErNmeNt'S fAuLt

I’ve heard this kind of thing often said, but I’m not convinced we are exceptional vs other liberal western democracies in that regard.

[Yuxi]

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent petson, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

[Hol]

sxmwht said:

Unfortunately the British public are some of the most stubborn people in the world, yet when their nan ends up in hospital, it's tHe GovErNmeNt'S fAuLt

I think that is a very high probability.

I am convinced that I am more likely to catch COVID from an infected person if they breath on me in a crowded space than I am from limiting my own activity and keeping away from such people.

[Ares]

Tommo87 said:

All of the people going out of their way to invent reasons for not bothering to follow the guidance on exercise, within a realistic distance.

Because of them, the government is now looking to toughen the measures up.


Extra knob points, for saying that the law doesn't stop them for doing what they want, so they do it on principle.
Bonus knob points, for those going actively going out of their way to help strangers out to do the same.


Forget Covid, some people seem infected with an extreme dose of their own self importance.

Ditto the unelected covid police that mask their hatred of cyclists by deciding that any cycling outside of your village is wrong and moaning incessantly about it

[some bloke]

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent person, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

Seem to work pretty well in NZ too.

[Ares]

some bloke said:

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent person, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

Seem to work pretty well in NZ too.

It worked anywhere that the population followed the rules/guidance (through will, or force )

[LetsTryAgain]

Ares said:

some bloke said:

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent person, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

Seem to work pretty well in NZ too.

It worked anywhere that the population followed the rules/guidance (through will, or force )

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

[Ares]

LetsTryAgain said:

Ares said:

some bloke said:

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent person, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

Seem to work pretty well in NZ too.

It worked anywhere that the population followed the rules/guidance (through will, or force )

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Perhaps. But with NZ and Oz, I'd say it was pretty conclusive though.