One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[markyb_lcy]

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent petson, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

And yet half a million people are placed into lockdown today in Beijing due to a handful of cases.

Rather a blunt tool methinks.

[Hol]

markyb_lcy said:

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent petson, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

And yet half a million people are placed into lockdown today in Beijing due to a handful of cases.

Rather a blunt tool methinks.

You would prefer many more deaths than a handful, a hospital network that cannot handle what they have, temporary morgues and a longer overall lockdown - than 4 weeks?

[markyb_lcy]

Hol said:

markyb_lcy said:

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent petson, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

And yet half a million people are placed into lockdown today in Beijing due to a handful of cases.

Rather a blunt tool methinks.

You would prefer many more deaths than a handful, a hospital network that cannot handle what they have, temporary morgues and a longer overall lockdown - than 4 weeks?

I would prefer a society that doesn’t need to lock down the lives of half a million people because a couple of them coughed.

Make of that what you will.

[Hol]

markyb_lcy said:

Hol said:

markyb_lcy said:

Yuxi said:

carlove said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Any decent person would spend the very small amount of time it takes to learn there is zero correlation around the world between timing or severity of lockdowns and the deaths suffered.

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

I think I'm a reasonably decent petson, I live in China, hard lockdown worked here. 4 weeks hard hard lockdown, back to normal over the next month

And yet half a million people are placed into lockdown today in Beijing due to a handful of cases.

Rather a blunt tool methinks.

You would prefer many more deaths than a handful, a hospital network that cannot handle what they have, temporary morgues and a longer overall lockdown - than 4 weeks?

I would prefer a society that doesn’t need to lock down the lives of half a million people because a couple of them coughed.

Make of that what you will.

I would prefer the same, but wishing wells very rarely work in garden centres and we happen to live in the real world without magical creatures that make good ideas into a utopian reality.

[Greg the Fish]

Come on. Own up.

Which of you 'Driving Gods' was this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

[LetsTryAgain]

Greg the Fish said:

Come on. Own up.

Which of you 'Driving Gods' was this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

It’s a diesel.
No one is likely to own up to that.

We all drive petrol V6’s and upwards.

[LunarOne]

Greg the Fish said:

Come on. Own up.

Which of you 'Driving Gods' was this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Wow. That driver needs more than a ban. Perhaps a spell at Her Majesty's pleasure. Even allowing for the fact that the conditions may not have been as bad as the pictures suggest, it's still atrocious driving.

[Greg the Fish]

LunarOne said:

Wow. That driver needs more than a ban. Perhaps a spell at Her Majesty's pleasure. Even allowing for the fact that the conditions may not have been as bad as the pictures suggest, it's still atrocious driving.

Yes but he IS a very good driver. That's why he bought the ultimate driving machine. He's THAT good he bought it to show HE is the ultimate driver.

[Cliftonite]

Greg the Fish said:

Come on. Own up.

Which of you 'Driving Gods' was this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

Did the police chase him at over 130 mph to catch him? If so, it could not have been very foggy!

[bluezedd]

Anyone who has sent us a round-robin letter has come across as a complete and utter knob. Of course, anyone who writes one is the top priority for a christmas card the next year just so I can see what narcissistic bullst they write.

[Greg the Fish]

bluezedd said:

Anyone who has sent us a round-robin letter has come across as a complete and utter knob. Of course, anyone who writes one is the top priority for a christmas card the next year just so I can see what narcissistic bullst they write.

People that do those really need shooting. Simple as.

[Blown2CV]

i think it's an american-derived thing isn't it? Maybe there is an assumption that the recipient would actually care about the sender's life. Don't they know that British people send most of their Christmas cards to people they met on holiday in Crete in 1985 and literally have never spoken to in 35 years?

[HTP99]

Greg the Fish said:

bluezedd said:

Anyone who has sent us a round-robin letter has come across as a complete and utter knob. Of course, anyone who writes one is the top priority for a christmas card the next year just so I can see what narcissistic bullst they write.

People that do those really need shooting. Simple as.

LOL, my dad would do them, god knows what he put in them as our lives were pretty unremarkable, my mum hated my dad doing them.

Edited by HTP99 on Tuesday 12th January 22:52

[21st Century Man]

I've not read this, but I bet it's hilarious and bang on the money.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1782395865/ref=cm_sw_r...

[over_the_hill]

Blown2CV said:

i think it's an american-derived thing isn't it? Maybe there is an assumption that the recipient would actually care about the sender's life. Don't they know that British people send most of their Christmas cards to people they met on holiday in Crete in 1985 and literally have never spoken to in 35 years?

I've lived in my house for 22 years. It was empty for a while before I bought it so I have no knowledge of the
previous occupants. Every year a Christmas card arrives for them !

[LetsTryAgain]

carlove said:

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

Lord knows why I’m bothering responding to this.
I’ve long since given up arguing with the lockdown zealots.

As Mark Twain said - ‘you can not argue a man out of a position he wasn’t argued in to.’

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/01/10/co...

Like I said, absolutely zero worldwide link to be found between timing, duration and severity of lockdown and resultant deaths.

[carlove]

LetsTryAgain said:

carlove said:

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

Lord knows why I’m bothering responding to this.
I’ve long since given up arguing with the lockdown zealots.

As Mark Twain said - ‘you can not argue a man out of a position he wasn’t argued in to.’

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/01/10/co...

Like I said, absolutely zero worldwide link to be found between timing, duration and severity of lockdown and resultant deaths.

Thanks for the link, I’ll read it after work, unless I forget, 5pm is a long way away.

Ps - I’m not pro lockdown, I’m also not against it. I did my own research as per your suggestion and the articles I found in seconds suggested the lockdowns were beneficial. I couldn’t find an article from a reputable source, ie not Daily Mail, Facebook or Nigel Farage suggesting otherwise. Hence asking for a link.

Edited by carlove on Wednesday 13th January 07:53

[LetsTryAgain]

carlove said:

Thanks for the link, I’ll read it after work, unless I forget, 5pm is a long way away.

Ps - I’m not pro lockdown, I’m also not against it. I did my own research as per your suggestion and the articles I found in seconds suggested the lockdowns were beneficial. I couldn’t find an article from a reputable source, ie not Daily Mail, Facebook or Nigel Farage suggesting otherwise. Hence asking for a link.

Edited by carlove on Wednesday 13th January 07:53

Well the next stage is realising that articles are opinion pieces of the author.
A lot of people are writing in order to keep it going, as they’ve clearly backed the wrong horse from the beginning.
Rather than apologising, saying we all got a bit carried away with that, and changing the response to one with a little more proportion, they just dig in.

When an article is written on a survey, for example, you must read the survey and see the results of that.
Rather than the authors opinion of that survey.

[HM-2]

LetsTryAgain said:

carlove said:

Every article I’ve read, that seem to be written by scientists says lockdowns are effective.

So if you could give me a link to an article, that’s written by a scientist or someone with knowledge in this field (not a Daily Mail columnist, or a Facebook expert, or Nigel Farage) that’d be great.

Lord knows why I’m bothering responding to this.
I’ve long since given up arguing with the lockdown zealots.

As Mark Twain said - ‘you can not argue a man out of a position he wasn’t argued in to.’

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/01/10/co...

Like I said, absolutely zero worldwide link to be found between timing, duration and severity of lockdown and resultant deaths.

Whilst Japan's performance has- comparatively speaking- been better than that of many European or American nations, it's far from the "best" example of Covid-19 response. The likes of Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and New Zealand have seen much lower deaths per capita than Japan has.

It's worth remembering that when we talk about "lockdown" we're normally talking about reactive measures designed to address aggressive spikes in transmission, something that, as a general rule, they are effective at "flattening the curve" of. Where the West has failed to address the pandemic is in proper planning, proactive measures and effective contact tracing, which have been the defining characteristics of the countries handling the pandemic well- these have also seen the least economic impact too, by and large. Lockdowns are simply a sticking plaster used by countries that have failed to implement functional proactive measures.

The only place that seems to be fairly successful in using lockdowns to control transmission is Australia, and that's largely a product of how aggressive they have been in their implementation. Shutting down entire cities in response to single digit cases is a pretty extreme response, though.

[markyb_lcy]

LetsTryAgain said:

carlove said:

Thanks for the link, I’ll read it after work, unless I forget, 5pm is a long way away.

Ps - I’m not pro lockdown, I’m also not against it. I did my own research as per your suggestion and the articles I found in seconds suggested the lockdowns were beneficial. I couldn’t find an article from a reputable source, ie not Daily Mail, Facebook or Nigel Farage suggesting otherwise. Hence asking for a link.

Edited by carlove on Wednesday 13th January 07:53

Well the next stage is realising that articles are opinion pieces of the author.
A lot of people are writing in order to keep it going, as they’ve clearly backed the wrong horse from the beginning.
Rather than apologising, saying we all got a bit carried away with that, and changing the response to one with a little more proportion, they just dig in.

When an article is written on a survey, for example, you must read the survey and see the results of that.
Rather than the authors opinion of that survey.

Perhaps this peer-reviewed scientific paper will suffice?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13...