The Joy of Running an Old Shed

The Joy of Running an Old Shed

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EthanSmale

17,540 posts

180 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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My E91 BMW 320d is still working nicely. Just about to pass 200,000 miles.

I've also bought a set of Goodyear winter tyres on steelies for £50 (with plenty of tread) so I'll share a picture of that when winter comes. I would've got some decent all seasons, but the Landsails that are on it have 5+mm tread everywhere so didn't want to throw them away yet.

Has a vibration at higher speeds which I think is a driveshaft. I'll investigate when weather is warmer

bearman68

4,673 posts

133 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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carinaman said:
bearman68, do you have a view on the 16V 1.4 HDi? Are they as much bother as the DV6 1.6?

The 16V 1.4 HDi is more bother than the 8V 1.4 HDi?
A rare beast to find.
So, I have no love for the 16v DV6. Similarly, I've looked at the DV4 16v, and it shares the same chocolate injection hold down bolts as the DV6 16v. So, I'd be very wary about it.
I had one in a C3, but regretfully it slipped it's cam belt, and ruined the engine. I had no end of issues with that engine trying the seal the leak off pipes on the injectors, and eventually, after managing this, it didn't run any better than the 1.4 75 bhp that I had at the same time. In fact the 75 bhp is still around, still plugging away and earning its keep, so for me personally, I would be avoiding it.
In fact I have revised my opinion on the DV6 a little since coming across the 16v DV4 - it's the 16v hold down bolts that cause all the issues in my opinion, as the 8v engine in both 1.4 or (and whisper this) 1.6 guise seems to be as tough as old boots.

bearman68

4,673 posts

133 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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EthanSmale said:
My E91 BMW 320d is still working nicely. Just about to pass 200,000 miles.

I've also bought a set of Goodyear winter tyres on steelies for £50 (with plenty of tread) so I'll share a picture of that when winter comes. I would've got some decent all seasons, but the Landsails that are on it have 5+mm tread everywhere so didn't want to throw them away yet.

Has a vibration at higher speeds which I think is a driveshaft. I'll investigate when weather is warmer
Often the centre bearing support.

EthanSmale

17,540 posts

180 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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bearman68 said:
Often the centre bearing support.
I did have a look at that on a lift and it didn't seem to have any play. The offside driveshaft was the only place I found any play at all, though it wasn't very much. The other reason I think driveshaft is that it seems to change slightly when going round a long motorway bend, but I'm not really sure yet what it is. I'm not that bothered but it would be really nice to sort it!

carinaman

21,370 posts

173 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Thanks bearman68.

bearman68

4,673 posts

133 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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I was looking at my figures the other night.

In the last 12 months, I have run sheds for nearly 200k miles and the equivalent of 35 years.

My conclusion. Not a lot really. Laguna 3's are good cars, tyres cost a fortune, and after that, it seems very hit and miss as to what runs and what doesn't.

The worst car I have is surprisingly a 1.4 diesel Fiesta. It hasn't caused a lot of trouble, but the trouble has been serious and expensive. I have 2, and the other one looks to be going the same way. Mk4 Mondeos seem to be troublesome. but some of these have had a hard life - but overall a bit disappointing. I've got a very old Mk1 Focus which is excellent, and a Mk2 which is not, so overall, I'm thinking the 2007 - 2010 era Fords are not as great as I first thought.

We have a good few Megane 2 in either 85 or 106 bhp. These have lots of trouble, usually fairly trivial. Brakes binding, CV boots split, ball joints failed and the like. Laguna 3's run quite quietly from month to month. Excellent quality cars, great spec, seem reliable.
I'm thinking the Renaults actually make decent sheds.

I have a few C1/107/Aygos that run without major issues - but they tend to do less miles, so might be expected. But they don't tend to breakdown at all, and don't seem to suffer with anything except locks. The remaining Toyotas I have, have not been entirely trouble free (surprisingly), and less so than the Lagunas, but generally the Toyotas have been abused more, and both the faults and the repairs are cheap and easy.

The big Volvo's are not immune to issues, but seem to clock up big big miles, and are loved by their owners. Superbly economical, and carry miles well, without it being obvious it's done 200k miles. I'd be willing to take a punt on more of these, as I personally love them. I love the longevity of the engineering.

My 5 Vauxhalls have been troublesome. Wiring issues on the newer ones, gearbox and drive train issues on the older ones. I like the Astra H, but that's about it. A 2010 Corsa has been a bit of a pain, and a Meriva 2010 was missing a nut off the main 12 supply post, resulting in the car intermittently cutting out. that looks like it was missed from the manufacture.

If you've not lost the will to live, the older TU and 1.4 HDi Peugeots (mainly 207's), have been reasonable. All have come to me cheap, and with considerable work needed, but once that's been done, they have run without issues for ages. 1 customer get 80 mpg from a 207 1.4 hdi in commuting traffic. (nearly as much as the Volvo D5 E3 engine).
I also run several Xsara Picassos, that always suffer air flow meter and EGR faults, but are tough and reliable. But everyone hates them, and they are a difficult sell.

But within these generalisations, some cars run more reliably than others - some seem to always be in the workshop - others for an oil change and a chat. So, even with 60 odd cars, it's still hit and miss regards buying and fixing them, and always a bit of a punt. We've bought some complete dogs, and some excellent cars. Seems to make no sense. But I still always look to see what the radio is tuned for.





OMITN

2,221 posts

93 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Fascinating post bearman - thank you for sharing.

I’m encouraged that I’ve struck lucky with a TU engined Peugeot..!

(And now off to remind myself about Laguna 3s)

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anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Clonking from the back of the pug going over bumps, I fear it may be the dreaded rear axle, I'll find out next week, if so I'll nurse it through to March when the MOT runs out and discard and start again, that's they joy of sheds although looking at the market prices are ludicrous at the moment.

martin mrt

3,777 posts

202 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Terrific insight bearman

Here’s the £150 smart


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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martin mrt said:
Terrific insight bearman

Here’s the £150 smart

That is, errr... sm...all!

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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bearman68 said:
1 customer get 80 mpg from a 207 1.4 hdi in commuting traffic.
i've got a 207 1.4 hdi had a 206 1.4 hdi as well. The 207 is a heavy beast, 1.2 tonne, see about 50 odd mpg which tally's with parkers and honest johns reported true combined, really suprised someone can get 80mpg, that is better than even the mpg test.

Noesph

1,155 posts

150 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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bearman68 said:
I was looking at my figures the other night.

In the last 12 months, I have run sheds for nearly 200k miles and the equivalent of 35 years.

My conclusion. Not a lot really. Laguna 3's are good cars, tyres cost a fortune, and after that, it seems very hit and miss as to what runs and what doesn't.

The worst car I have is surprisingly a 1.4 diesel Fiesta. It hasn't caused a lot of trouble, but the trouble has been serious and expensive. I have 2, and the other one looks to be going the same way. Mk4 Mondeos seem to be troublesome. but some of these have had a hard life - but overall a bit disappointing. I've got a very old Mk1 Focus which is excellent, and a Mk2 which is not, so overall, I'm thinking the 2007 - 2010 era Fords are not as great as I first thought.

We have a good few Megane 2 in either 85 or 106 bhp. These have lots of trouble, usually fairly trivial. Brakes binding, CV boots split, ball joints failed and the like. Laguna 3's run quite quietly from month to month. Excellent quality cars, great spec, seem reliable.
I'm thinking the Renaults actually make decent sheds.

I have a few C1/107/Aygos that run without major issues - but they tend to do less miles, so might be expected. But they don't tend to breakdown at all, and don't seem to suffer with anything except locks. The remaining Toyotas I have, have not been entirely trouble free (surprisingly), and less so than the Lagunas, but generally the Toyotas have been abused more, and both the faults and the repairs are cheap and easy.

The big Volvo's are not immune to issues, but seem to clock up big big miles, and are loved by their owners. Superbly economical, and carry miles well, without it being obvious it's done 200k miles. I'd be willing to take a punt on more of these, as I personally love them. I love the longevity of the engineering.

My 5 Vauxhalls have been troublesome. Wiring issues on the newer ones, gearbox and drive train issues on the older ones. I like the Astra H, but that's about it. A 2010 Corsa has been a bit of a pain, and a Meriva 2010 was missing a nut off the main 12 supply post, resulting in the car intermittently cutting out. that looks like it was missed from the manufacture.

If you've not lost the will to live, the older TU and 1.4 HDi Peugeots (mainly 207's), have been reasonable. All have come to me cheap, and with considerable work needed, but once that's been done, they have run without issues for ages. 1 customer get 80 mpg from a 207 1.4 hdi in commuting traffic. (nearly as much as the Volvo D5 E3 engine).
I also run several Xsara Picassos, that always suffer air flow meter and EGR faults, but are tough and reliable. But everyone hates them, and they are a difficult sell.

But within these generalisations, some cars run more reliably than others - some seem to always be in the workshop - others for an oil change and a chat. So, even with 60 odd cars, it's still hit and miss regards buying and fixing them, and always a bit of a punt. We've bought some complete dogs, and some excellent cars. Seems to make no sense. But I still always look to see what the radio is tuned for.



I agree wholeheartedly with you. My parents have had their Laguna 3 for 11 or 12 years now. The only thing its needed in all those years was new gas struts for the boot lid. Its one of the very first of them too, built in October 2007, ahead of the release in November 2007. But it only has about 43k on it. (Its a good job its a pre dpf model).

And I agree with the TU engine too. My first car was a 106 many years ago now, it was a great little car. And my brother took a 1.4 TU engined 206 up to 185k, and the engine was fine.

(On a side note, I've had a 1.2 TCE 100 Twingo mk2 for 8 and half years now, and about 75k miles. It's never really had anything major go wrong on it. And the drivetrain has never gone wrong at all. Its got 102k on it, still on the original clutch (which isn't bad on a car that has lived most of its life in London). Apart from the wear on the steering wheel, it coping with the miles well. I think it was quite a good era for reliability at Renault).

ST565NP

567 posts

83 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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anarki said:
I don't have any recommendations for a UV lacquer protectant (I was hoping others would chime in with recommendations), but I'll be using Meguiars Headlight Protectant on mine as I already have some, I just need to pick it up from my parents house, and have used it in the past. It acts a bit like a polish so it does need applying fairly regularly (once every 3 months) but is a quick task of applying it with a cloth, and buffing off with a clean microfibre cloth. Its worked well for me in the past.

Until I grab the Meguiars (or buy some other UV protectant), I've just applied some carnauba wax on them as a temp thing.

Edited by anarki on Wednesday 6th October 18:25
Had only good info for this 3M product from someone who does headlights for friends and family for last 2 years ( he did about 100 headlights in that time): https://www.amazon.co.uk/3M-39173-Quick-Headlight-...

The Mad Monk

10,493 posts

118 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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anarki said:
I don't have any recommendations for a UV lacquer protectant (I was hoping others would chime in with recommendations), but I'll be using Meguiars Headlight Protectant on mine as I already have some, I just need to pick it up from my parents house, and have used it in the past. It acts a bit like a polish so it does need applying fairly regularly (once every 3 months) but is a quick task of applying it with a cloth, and buffing off with a clean microfibre cloth. Its worked well for me in the past.

Until I grab the Meguiars (or buy some other UV protectant), I've just applied some carnauba wax on them as a temp thing.

Edited by anarki on Wednesday 6th October 18:25
Is it better than peanut butter - or is that an old wife's tale?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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The Mad Monk said:
anarki said:
I don't have any recommendations for a UV lacquer protectant (I was hoping others would chime in with recommendations), but I'll be using Meguiars Headlight Protectant on mine as I already have some, I just need to pick it up from my parents house, and have used it in the past. It acts a bit like a polish so it does need applying fairly regularly (once every 3 months) but is a quick task of applying it with a cloth, and buffing off with a clean microfibre cloth. Its worked well for me in the past.

Until I grab the Meguiars (or buy some other UV protectant), I've just applied some carnauba wax on them as a temp thing.

Edited by anarki on Wednesday 6th October 18:25
Is it better than peanut butter - or is that an old wife's tale?
Thats for faded bumper trim etc isn't it?

Tupe

100 posts

32 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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bought this shed/barge sight unseen for under a grand. Timing and aux belts change took it to 1100. The piece that runs from motor to MAf is split slightly ( £56 spondoolies from main dealer) causing what feels like a very very slight hesitation every now and then as it is clearly getting more air than it needs. Main dealer also changing main airbag under recall ( on a 25 year old motor!). One of the rear discs is slightly pitted so that is the next job. Feels like it needs new bushes all round, and the interior full leather could use a recondition.... but other than that, a fine shed

Challo

10,309 posts

156 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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Noesph said:
bearman68 said:
I was looking at my figures the other night.

In the last 12 months, I have run sheds for nearly 200k miles and the equivalent of 35 years.

My conclusion. Not a lot really. Laguna 3's are good cars, tyres cost a fortune, and after that, it seems very hit and miss as to what runs and what doesn't.

The worst car I have is surprisingly a 1.4 diesel Fiesta. It hasn't caused a lot of trouble, but the trouble has been serious and expensive. I have 2, and the other one looks to be going the same way. Mk4 Mondeos seem to be troublesome. but some of these have had a hard life - but overall a bit disappointing. I've got a very old Mk1 Focus which is excellent, and a Mk2 which is not, so overall, I'm thinking the 2007 - 2010 era Fords are not as great as I first thought.

We have a good few Megane 2 in either 85 or 106 bhp. These have lots of trouble, usually fairly trivial. Brakes binding, CV boots split, ball joints failed and the like. Laguna 3's run quite quietly from month to month. Excellent quality cars, great spec, seem reliable.
I'm thinking the Renaults actually make decent sheds.

I have a few C1/107/Aygos that run without major issues - but they tend to do less miles, so might be expected. But they don't tend to breakdown at all, and don't seem to suffer with anything except locks. The remaining Toyotas I have, have not been entirely trouble free (surprisingly), and less so than the Lagunas, but generally the Toyotas have been abused more, and both the faults and the repairs are cheap and easy.

The big Volvo's are not immune to issues, but seem to clock up big big miles, and are loved by their owners. Superbly economical, and carry miles well, without it being obvious it's done 200k miles. I'd be willing to take a punt on more of these, as I personally love them. I love the longevity of the engineering.

My 5 Vauxhalls have been troublesome. Wiring issues on the newer ones, gearbox and drive train issues on the older ones. I like the Astra H, but that's about it. A 2010 Corsa has been a bit of a pain, and a Meriva 2010 was missing a nut off the main 12 supply post, resulting in the car intermittently cutting out. that looks like it was missed from the manufacture.

If you've not lost the will to live, the older TU and 1.4 HDi Peugeots (mainly 207's), have been reasonable. All have come to me cheap, and with considerable work needed, but once that's been done, they have run without issues for ages. 1 customer get 80 mpg from a 207 1.4 hdi in commuting traffic. (nearly as much as the Volvo D5 E3 engine).
I also run several Xsara Picassos, that always suffer air flow meter and EGR faults, but are tough and reliable. But everyone hates them, and they are a difficult sell.

But within these generalisations, some cars run more reliably than others - some seem to always be in the workshop - others for an oil change and a chat. So, even with 60 odd cars, it's still hit and miss regards buying and fixing them, and always a bit of a punt. We've bought some complete dogs, and some excellent cars. Seems to make no sense. But I still always look to see what the radio is tuned for.



I agree wholeheartedly with you. My parents have had their Laguna 3 for 11 or 12 years now. The only thing its needed in all those years was new gas struts for the boot lid. Its one of the very first of them too, built in October 2007, ahead of the release in November 2007. But it only has about 43k on it. (Its a good job its a pre dpf model).

And I agree with the TU engine too. My first car was a 106 many years ago now, it was a great little car. And my brother took a 1.4 TU engined 206 up to 185k, and the engine was fine.

(On a side note, I've had a 1.2 TCE 100 Twingo mk2 for 8 and half years now, and about 75k miles. It's never really had anything major go wrong on it. And the drivetrain has never gone wrong at all. Its got 102k on it, still on the original clutch (which isn't bad on a car that has lived most of its life in London). Apart from the wear on the steering wheel, it coping with the miles well. I think it was quite a good era for reliability at Renault).
Are these Laguna 3's? I get confused between the various versions. They do look good and very cheap at the moment. Any engines to avoid?


cedrichn

812 posts

52 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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bearman68 said:
I was looking at my figures the other night.

In the last 12 months, I have run sheds for nearly 200k miles and the equivalent of 35 years.

My conclusion...
Thanks a lot for that! Really interesting feedback smile

I do think PSA did nice robust engines with the XU(D) /TU / EW / DW engines: nothing really great about them, but always going smile
Looks like after that, Renault/Nissan did a better job smile

cedrichn

812 posts

52 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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Challo said:
Are these Laguna 3's? I get confused between the various versions. They do look good and very cheap at the moment. Any engines to avoid?

Yes it is. I did try one (2.0 Nissan petrol engine, in Initiale) and was really disappointed. I was not seated well, and a lot of noise/cracks from the dashboards, despite being low mileage. Might have fund a bad one, or it might be me (I dislike the driving position and don't feel comfy in Mondeo Mk4 either): I do prefer my C5 any day....

Just try one and make your own opinion: the petrol engine is really good! Diesel are robust as far as I know...
Peugeot 407 are cheap as chips too

PartOfTheProblem

1,927 posts

172 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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Well I have to say I'm delighted to be back in a shed, a £900 Volvo S60 D5... After writing off my V70 in 2020 I bought a Citroen Cactus, a fine car to be honest but I did miss the Volvo, I saw this one advertised and jumped on it.

eBay https://ebay.us/40Cc0m

113k miles, generally nice condition but definitely not cherished. It needs a cambelt, a big service and will need tyres soon, an engine mount will need doing. I'll fix a few niggles but I'm blessed to have Lakes Wyboston Volvo breakers near me, and most bits are incredibly cheap from them.

I'll probably look after this one properly, as newer cars just don't do it for me. I love the comfort of these old Volvos, and the D5 (Euro3) engine is very durable and a joy to drive.


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