Is it time to ban overtaking?
Discussion
gottans said:
M4cruiser, can you let me know when you'll be driving out and about? I feel the need to overtake someone just for kicks.
Ok gott, Newbury bypass, A34 southbound, in the morning, about 6.35am.(Actually I prefer the town centre route - lots of roundabouts!), like this one:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lbPs7a39_o
DoubleD said:
Ha ha caught out. That junction is perfectly clear.
Try watching it again - the Yaris comes past immediately. I'm watching for possible cyclists coming down the hill from the right. After I'd stopped and the Yaris had gone, there was nobody behind me. You need to really think about it ...Look guys, these forums are for expressing opinions... You don't have to agree with mine, but you won't persuade me to yours by hurling abuse. Make your arguments in a logical manner (as some have) and you might just convince me.
By and large I'm not changing my opinion except in one area: I am persuaded by those from more remote areas, where the density of traffic and other hazards (including junctions etc) is much less, so the overtaking risk is less, and the benefits are greater. That tips the balance. But round here? No way. Most of my enforced driving is in Berkshire, Surrey, Hampshire and Buckinghamshire, where my calculations stand up.
There is no way that blue Audi was going to make any significant headway given that the road goes into a built up area in another mile or so, with a 30 limit, a give way and a set of traffic lights. That's whether I'd caught him up or not. And to make that small gain he exceeded the limit by 50% (which someone called "Slightly" !! ) across what appears to be a farm crossing and heading for a double bend with a "reduce speed now" and a "SLOW" in the road. That's the point I'm making, it's risk versus benefit.
By and large I'm not changing my opinion except in one area: I am persuaded by those from more remote areas, where the density of traffic and other hazards (including junctions etc) is much less, so the overtaking risk is less, and the benefits are greater. That tips the balance. But round here? No way. Most of my enforced driving is in Berkshire, Surrey, Hampshire and Buckinghamshire, where my calculations stand up.
There is no way that blue Audi was going to make any significant headway given that the road goes into a built up area in another mile or so, with a 30 limit, a give way and a set of traffic lights. That's whether I'd caught him up or not. And to make that small gain he exceeded the limit by 50% (which someone called "Slightly" !! ) across what appears to be a farm crossing and heading for a double bend with a "reduce speed now" and a "SLOW" in the road. That's the point I'm making, it's risk versus benefit.
Muddle238 said:
You were stationary at that mini roundabout for 9 seconds before the other car passed, .
What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
Actually I was stationary for less than half a second before the Yaris started its illegal overtake. That's sheer impatience by the Yaris driver.What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
Waiting after that is irrelevant, there was no one behind me.
Pan Pan Pan said:
"If depending on conditions, people generally tried to drive at as near to the posted limit as possible, there generally would not even be the need for other drivers to have to overtake. Fortunately this is not so much a problem on dual carriageways and motorways. "
Yes, well said, and I do drive close to the posted limit on single carriageways (including in the Audi video) but usually get tailgated and overtaken. I understand that cars like the big Audi will have much greater acceleration than my Jap slushmatic, but I can, and do, get to 40mph probably only a couple of seconds later than he can.I'm also more aware of potential hazards. Not claiming my driving is perfect, but when it says "SLOW" in the road, and "REDUCE SPEED NOW" on a red sign, then I take that to mean that the posted limit is too high for the hazardous bits. Yet if I slow to 35 in a 40 for these hazards then the driver behind behaves very oddly - coming even closer when there's a sign hinting that I might have to brake even more!
However, that's not really the point of the original post. I'm pointing out how long you'd need to maintain say 60 continuously over 40 continuously to make any significant headway. The figures were at the start, and my guess is that most drivers really haven't thought about it. They see someone in front of them and want to get past. That's as far as their thinking goes.
Some of my thoughts have come from a trip to USA where (in the areas I went to) on single carriageway roads they have a lot more "double white line" thus preventing overtaking. USA drivers seem much more patient. A road near Boston, similar to the UK one in the Audi video, had double white lines even on the straight bits like where the Audi overtook. And the limit was 40.
BrewsterBear said:
Kawasicki said:
any chance of getting the directors cut of your roundabout overtake video back up?
Even the edited one has disappeared now. He won't put the original back up as it shows just how unreasonably slowly he crawled up to the mini roundabout before stopping for no reason whatsoever. The Yaris driver showed great restraint not leaning on the horn as they carried out their soon to be banned overtake.
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