RE: Honda Swindon plant set to close
Discussion
mat205125 said:
captain_cynic said:
Hugh Jarse said:
Did Japan pay 40 billion quid for their trade deal, did Australia?
Did Australia have 40 billion euro of commitments over the next 5 years to the EU? No? Then why are you making the comparison.
If you pulled out of a business contract that will cost £80,000 half way though, the other side is well within their rights to demand their £40,000 from you. That's what the divorce bill is.
Your sound logic and reasoned arguments have no place here!!
"OK well if that true then fair enough we should pay, can you point me to a breakdown of that, Ive not seen one.."
Preferably snide free.
Hugh Jarse said:
mat205125 said:
captain_cynic said:
Hugh Jarse said:
Did Japan pay 40 billion quid for their trade deal, did Australia?
Did Australia have 40 billion euro of commitments over the next 5 years to the EU? No? Then why are you making the comparison.
If you pulled out of a business contract that will cost £80,000 half way though, the other side is well within their rights to demand their £40,000 from you. That's what the divorce bill is.
Your sound logic and reasoned arguments have no place here!!
"OK well if that true then fair enough we should pay, can you point me to a breakdown of that, Ive not seen one.."
Preferably snide free.
Alex0904 said:
Zombie said:
As opposed to Brexs
ter's gleefully calling Remainers names and shouting "Project fear" Ad-nauseam for the last 2 years?
I am not gleeful. I am fg apocalyptic with the Politicians who lied, the leave campaigners who lied cheated and ultimately subverted what was supposed to be a democratic vote and, yes, I am bloody angry with the halfwits who swallowed their BS and voted for brexit.
The same halfwits and berks who have subsequently bleated "project fear", "brexit means brexit", "will of the people", "it's done, we just need to get on with it" in spite of the promised unicorns and rainbows they initially voted for vanishing into a fog of blue passports and intangible sovereignty.
And now that "project fear" is fast becoming demonstrable fact, Remainers are "gleeful"?
I'm inclined to suggest you move on in short, jerking movements.
As for "face a period of hardship" WTF else do you think those workers will do? Walk into another manufacturing job? Where, exactly? The promised Unicorn Factory 'down road that unfreezes chlorine washed Moog and Marty for the UK's sovereign edification?
Or maybe Dyson's new red white and blue tartan paint plant? I'm sure there will be a Brexit Celebration Edition Vacuum on offer - with a Union Jack colour scheme and patriotic fake news (imprinted) filter.
Better yet, they could tend the bar in Wetherspoons?
"One pint of rightwing spam and nostalgia with an info-zine of fascist fantasy coming right up, Sir"
But is this land of opportunity likely to present itself before or after a skilled workforce have lost their homes?
Most will be 3 months (paychecks) away from having their homes repossessed. That hardship you so willingly dismiss will be both prolonged and sustained, you utter cretin.
And just to ask our Brexit supporting folk, why did Honda choose this particluar factory to close? they have a fair number scattered around don't they? So why this one? House prices are already falling in Swindon - less than 2 weeks after the announcement. This is just the beginning for the half wits, like those in Swindon, who did indeed vote for Brexit. This is the shape of their reward. How long before Honda announce a new factory somewhere in eastern Europe? If I lived in Sunderland, or Derbyshire, I'd be cacking myself now.ter's gleefully calling Remainers names and shouting "Project fear" Ad-nauseam for the last 2 years?I am not gleeful. I am f
g apocalyptic with the Politicians who lied, the leave campaigners who lied cheated and ultimately subverted what was supposed to be a democratic vote and, yes, I am bloody angry with the halfwits who swallowed their BS and voted for brexit.The same halfwits and berks who have subsequently bleated "project fear", "brexit means brexit", "will of the people", "it's done, we just need to get on with it" in spite of the promised unicorns and rainbows they initially voted for vanishing into a fog of blue passports and intangible sovereignty.
And now that "project fear" is fast becoming demonstrable fact, Remainers are "gleeful"?
I'm inclined to suggest you move on in short, jerking movements.
As for "face a period of hardship" WTF else do you think those workers will do? Walk into another manufacturing job? Where, exactly? The promised Unicorn Factory 'down road that unfreezes chlorine washed Moog and Marty for the UK's sovereign edification?
Or maybe Dyson's new red white and blue tartan paint plant? I'm sure there will be a Brexit Celebration Edition Vacuum on offer - with a Union Jack colour scheme and patriotic fake news (imprinted) filter.
Better yet, they could tend the bar in Wetherspoons?
"One pint of rightwing spam and nostalgia with an info-zine of fascist fantasy coming right up, Sir"
But is this land of opportunity likely to present itself before or after a skilled workforce have lost their homes?
Most will be 3 months (paychecks) away from having their homes repossessed. That hardship you so willingly dismiss will be both prolonged and sustained, you utter cretin.
Edited by Zombie on Tuesday 19th February 02:37
This has nothing to do with brexit.
98elise said:
Alex0904 said:
Zombie said:
As opposed to Brexster's gleefully calling Remainers names and shouting "Project fear" Ad-nauseam for the last 2 years?
I am not gleeful. I am fg apocalyptic with the Politicians who lied, the leave campaigners who lied cheated and ultimately subverted what was supposed to be a democratic vote and, yes, I am bloody angry with the halfwits who swallowed their BS and voted for brexit.
The same halfwits and berks who have subsequently bleated "project fear", "brexit means brexit", "will of the people", "it's done, we just need to get on with it" in spite of the promised unicorns and rainbows they initially voted for vanishing into a fog of blue passports and intangible sovereignty.
And now that "project fear" is fast becoming demonstrable fact, Remainers are "gleeful"?
I'm inclined to suggest you move on in short, jerking movements.
As for "face a period of hardship" WTF else do you think those workers will do? Walk into another manufacturing job? Where, exactly? The promised Unicorn Factory 'down road that unfreezes chlorine washed Moog and Marty for the UK's sovereign edification?
Or maybe Dyson's new red white and blue tartan paint plant? I'm sure there will be a Brexit Celebration Edition Vacuum on offer - with a Union Jack colour scheme and patriotic fake news (imprinted) filter.
Better yet, they could tend the bar in Wetherspoons?
"One pint of rightwing spam and nostalgia with an info-zine of fascist fantasy coming right up, Sir"
But is this land of opportunity likely to present itself before or after a skilled workforce have lost their homes?
Most will be 3 months (paychecks) away from having their homes repossessed. That hardship you so willingly dismiss will be both prolonged and sustained, you utter cretin.
And just to ask our Brexit supporting folk, why did Honda choose this particluar factory to close? they have a fair number scattered around don't they? So why this one? House prices are already falling in Swindon - less than 2 weeks after the announcement. This is just the beginning for the half wits, like those in Swindon, who did indeed vote for Brexit. This is the shape of their reward. How long before Honda announce a new factory somewhere in eastern Europe? If I lived in Sunderland, or Derbyshire, I'd be cacking myself now.ter's gleefully calling Remainers names and shouting "Project fear" Ad-nauseam for the last 2 years?I am not gleeful. I am f
g apocalyptic with the Politicians who lied, the leave campaigners who lied cheated and ultimately subverted what was supposed to be a democratic vote and, yes, I am bloody angry with the halfwits who swallowed their BS and voted for brexit.The same halfwits and berks who have subsequently bleated "project fear", "brexit means brexit", "will of the people", "it's done, we just need to get on with it" in spite of the promised unicorns and rainbows they initially voted for vanishing into a fog of blue passports and intangible sovereignty.
And now that "project fear" is fast becoming demonstrable fact, Remainers are "gleeful"?
I'm inclined to suggest you move on in short, jerking movements.
As for "face a period of hardship" WTF else do you think those workers will do? Walk into another manufacturing job? Where, exactly? The promised Unicorn Factory 'down road that unfreezes chlorine washed Moog and Marty for the UK's sovereign edification?
Or maybe Dyson's new red white and blue tartan paint plant? I'm sure there will be a Brexit Celebration Edition Vacuum on offer - with a Union Jack colour scheme and patriotic fake news (imprinted) filter.
Better yet, they could tend the bar in Wetherspoons?
"One pint of rightwing spam and nostalgia with an info-zine of fascist fantasy coming right up, Sir"
But is this land of opportunity likely to present itself before or after a skilled workforce have lost their homes?
Most will be 3 months (paychecks) away from having their homes repossessed. That hardship you so willingly dismiss will be both prolonged and sustained, you utter cretin.
Edited by Zombie on Tuesday 19th February 02:37
This has nothing to do with brexit.
Honda Swindon
It its completely wrong that the EU could negotiate a new trade deal with Japan removing the tariffs on cars made in Japan while the UK was and is forbidden from negotiating our own tariff-free trade deals with the rest of the world!
We should not have allowed this to happen.
Instead of wasting the last two years trying to agree fair deal for the transition period, we should have insisted on negotiating a full and final settlement of how we would trade with EU - not just in the transition period but thereafter as well.
If the Prime Minister is indeed "letting the clock run down" so that we either get a deal acceptable to Parliament or leave with no deal, she is in my opinion doing exactly the right thing.
If we leave with no deal, we will certainly get one soon thereafter. Just imagine what the French farmers will do when they don't get paid for their produce because it has rotted on the quays of Calais - the Yellow Vest Protests will look like a garden party in comparison!
It its completely wrong that the EU could negotiate a new trade deal with Japan removing the tariffs on cars made in Japan while the UK was and is forbidden from negotiating our own tariff-free trade deals with the rest of the world!
We should not have allowed this to happen.
Instead of wasting the last two years trying to agree fair deal for the transition period, we should have insisted on negotiating a full and final settlement of how we would trade with EU - not just in the transition period but thereafter as well.
If the Prime Minister is indeed "letting the clock run down" so that we either get a deal acceptable to Parliament or leave with no deal, she is in my opinion doing exactly the right thing.
If we leave with no deal, we will certainly get one soon thereafter. Just imagine what the French farmers will do when they don't get paid for their produce because it has rotted on the quays of Calais - the Yellow Vest Protests will look like a garden party in comparison!
JamieDenman said:
Honda Swindon
It its completely wrong that the EU could negotiate a new trade deal with Japan removing the tariffs on cars made in Japan while the UK was and is forbidden from negotiating our own tariff-free trade deals with the rest of the world!
We should not have allowed this to happen.
Instead of wasting the last two years trying to agree fair deal for the transition period, we should have insisted on negotiating a full and final settlement of how we would trade with EU - not just in the transition period but thereafter as well.
If the Prime Minister is indeed "letting the clock run down" so that we either get a deal acceptable to Parliament or leave with no deal, she is in my opinion doing exactly the right thing.
If we leave with no deal, we will certainly get one soon thereafter. Just imagine what the French farmers will do when they don't get paid for their produce because it has rotted on the quays of Calais - the Yellow Vest Protests will look like a garden party in comparison!
Sounds great until you compare being out of the EU with a deal, to being in the EU... Norway for example is well understood as a very poor arrangement, plus they're bolstered by huge natural resources giving them inherent wealth. Once you factor in our special treatment (rebate, schengen, currency etc) it looks even more favourable to stay. It its completely wrong that the EU could negotiate a new trade deal with Japan removing the tariffs on cars made in Japan while the UK was and is forbidden from negotiating our own tariff-free trade deals with the rest of the world!
We should not have allowed this to happen.
Instead of wasting the last two years trying to agree fair deal for the transition period, we should have insisted on negotiating a full and final settlement of how we would trade with EU - not just in the transition period but thereafter as well.
If the Prime Minister is indeed "letting the clock run down" so that we either get a deal acceptable to Parliament or leave with no deal, she is in my opinion doing exactly the right thing.
If we leave with no deal, we will certainly get one soon thereafter. Just imagine what the French farmers will do when they don't get paid for their produce because it has rotted on the quays of Calais - the Yellow Vest Protests will look like a garden party in comparison!
RobM77 said:
JamieDenman said:
Honda Swindon
It its completely wrong that the EU could negotiate a new trade deal with Japan removing the tariffs on cars made in Japan while the UK was and is forbidden from negotiating our own tariff-free trade deals with the rest of the world!
We should not have allowed this to happen.
Instead of wasting the last two years trying to agree fair deal for the transition period, we should have insisted on negotiating a full and final settlement of how we would trade with EU - not just in the transition period but thereafter as well.
If the Prime Minister is indeed "letting the clock run down" so that we either get a deal acceptable to Parliament or leave with no deal, she is in my opinion doing exactly the right thing.
If we leave with no deal, we will certainly get one soon thereafter. Just imagine what the French farmers will do when they don't get paid for their produce because it has rotted on the quays of Calais - the Yellow Vest Protests will look like a garden party in comparison!
Sounds great until you compare being out of the EU with a deal, to being in the EU... Norway for example is well understood as a very poor arrangement, plus they're bolstered by huge natural resources giving them inherent wealth. Once you factor in our special treatment (rebate, schengen, currency etc) it looks even more favourable to stay. It its completely wrong that the EU could negotiate a new trade deal with Japan removing the tariffs on cars made in Japan while the UK was and is forbidden from negotiating our own tariff-free trade deals with the rest of the world!
We should not have allowed this to happen.
Instead of wasting the last two years trying to agree fair deal for the transition period, we should have insisted on negotiating a full and final settlement of how we would trade with EU - not just in the transition period but thereafter as well.
If the Prime Minister is indeed "letting the clock run down" so that we either get a deal acceptable to Parliament or leave with no deal, she is in my opinion doing exactly the right thing.
If we leave with no deal, we will certainly get one soon thereafter. Just imagine what the French farmers will do when they don't get paid for their produce because it has rotted on the quays of Calais - the Yellow Vest Protests will look like a garden party in comparison!
It's funny how people who keep bringing up the "we could be Norway" during the Brexit debate can't seem to realize UK's circumstances are very different. Take energy sector for instance.
Bladedancer said:
Indeed.
It's funny how people who keep bringing up the "we could be Norway" during the Brexit debate can't seem to realize UK's circumstances are very different. Take energy sector for instance.
That's be because, like most who voted leave, they are as thick as pigsIt's funny how people who keep bringing up the "we could be Norway" during the Brexit debate can't seem to realize UK's circumstances are very different. Take energy sector for instance.
t! HTH 
cb1965 said:
Bladedancer said:
Indeed.
It's funny how people who keep bringing up the "we could be Norway" during the Brexit debate can't seem to realize UK's circumstances are very different. Take energy sector for instance.
That's be because, like most who voted leave, they are as thick as pigsIt's funny how people who keep bringing up the "we could be Norway" during the Brexit debate can't seem to realize UK's circumstances are very different. Take energy sector for instance.
t! HTH 
I had assumed this was common knowledge, but of course Switzerland has a huge financial advantage (I think this was because everyone deposited money with them due to their neutrality in WWII?) and Norway of course has massive natural resources. This means that they're don't rely on the EU as much as the rest of us and can function outside it, although most experts seem to agree that even they'd be better off in the EU. The UK of course has its own particular position, but unfortunately this USP for the UK is that we assemble a lot of things that seamlessly cross borders and we trade in the Single Market (esp financial services). Most sectors are now internationally collaborative in the modern world, and the UK do rather well at it. Leaving the EU means destroying our main sources of income, as well as other things (removing our supply of nurses, musicians, doctors etc).
Raygun said:
RobM77 said:
Leaving the EU means destroying our main sources of income, as well as other things ( musicians, etc).
I think your find us and the Americans lead that particular field.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff