RE: Singer Vehicle Design: PH Meets
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Reminds me of a buddy of mine who built his interpretation of a 911 RSR, complete with a 993 drivetrain. The detailing he put into this car is amazing. One of those cars you have to see in-person to truly appreciate how much work has gone into it.
In addition, he built this Lister Jaguar to match. No, it is NOT a kit-car, it was scratch-built by him with a one-off carbon-fiber body he hand-laid himself- the guy is massively talented! He wanted to modernise it a bit by putting wider wheels on it, so he made the body considerably wider and made numerous other modifications to the original design so the proportions would look "right". Then, he built one of the ultimate LS7s I've ever seen to go in it. It features Mahle pistons, sodium-filled, titanium valves, and a cam from a Corvette GTR race car. It makes 632 horsepower (naturally aspirated; compare to 500 bhp in a stock Z06) and 550 lb.-ft. in a car that weighs only 1900 pounds!
I believe the 0-60 time for it is somewhere in the two second range, but I imagine it must be a handful!
It's funny how many times I'm at a car show with him and somebody says to their son/girlfriend/wife, "look at that Cobra", or asks him what kit it is!
In addition, he built this Lister Jaguar to match. No, it is NOT a kit-car, it was scratch-built by him with a one-off carbon-fiber body he hand-laid himself- the guy is massively talented! He wanted to modernise it a bit by putting wider wheels on it, so he made the body considerably wider and made numerous other modifications to the original design so the proportions would look "right". Then, he built one of the ultimate LS7s I've ever seen to go in it. It features Mahle pistons, sodium-filled, titanium valves, and a cam from a Corvette GTR race car. It makes 632 horsepower (naturally aspirated; compare to 500 bhp in a stock Z06) and 550 lb.-ft. in a car that weighs only 1900 pounds!
I believe the 0-60 time for it is somewhere in the two second range, but I imagine it must be a handful!
It's funny how many times I'm at a car show with him and somebody says to their son/girlfriend/wife, "look at that Cobra", or asks him what kit it is!
Yeah the 'touches' that Magnus had to his 911, the louvres which was done back in the early 90's in the custom scene to mimic the hotrod habits to add cooling. However it makes your aircooled engine overheat as the pressurised engine bay now has a vent that sucks the air out as you drive. The faster you drive the harder the engine has to work to suck the air into the engine bay.
It was done in the californian custom scene in the 80's-90's to show cars, much like chroming/plating. Which is OK on a car you trailer there or just to Cars & Coffee.
The Singer 911 has alot more tangible and better though out customisations. Although the fuel tank filler isn't one of them.
It was done in the californian custom scene in the 80's-90's to show cars, much like chroming/plating. Which is OK on a car you trailer there or just to Cars & Coffee.
The Singer 911 has alot more tangible and better though out customisations. Although the fuel tank filler isn't one of them.
renaultgeek said:
if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.
You probably could do it but how much time would it take you? and more importantly, when you go to sell your home brew 1970's Porsche how much would it be worth in the market place? Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.Dagnut said:
renaultgeek said:
if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.
You probably could do it but how much time would it take you? and more importantly, when you go to sell your home brew 1970's Porsche how much would it be worth in the market place? Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.
Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 5th December 22:40
Slippydiff said:
Dagnut said:
renaultgeek said:
if I had half a million, I'd do it myself.
You probably could do it but how much time would it take you? and more importantly, when you go to sell your home brew 1970's Porsche how much would it be worth in the market place? Put a singer badge on it and it's still worth near enough it's original value.Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.
[b]Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.
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Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 5th December 22:40
Slippydiff said:
With the massive pool of talent we have in the UK, it would/should be possible to produce something as good as, if not better than the Singer. They've clearly put a lot of time and effort into the styling of the front wings, rear quarter panels, sills, bumpers etc. And that effort has paid off handsomely, as the end result is superbly finished and proportioned (to my mind)
Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.
Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.
Of course it's possible..it's possible to start your own supercar company and within 20 years to be prodcuing some of the finest cars we've ever seen..i.e Pagani.Producing the tooling to make really good quality carbon fibre bodywork parts wouldn't have been cheap, so I can see where the expense comes from. Still struggling with the loom cost though.
Lots of people on Rennlist are under the impression that Singer are going to start making the various parts available to the general public. I for one, hope they don't, as nothing would impact on the values of the cars more than a whole host of badly built reps. I suspect it wouldn't do the company's credibility a lot of good in the long run either.
Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 5th December 22:40
His point was about doing it yourself.
GregorFuk said:
I too question the 30K loom. 30K to develop? Perhaps. 30K in parts, materials, and labor today? Someone's on a heck of a day rate.
I seem to recall a formula one style loom costs around £1m, if you believe that? I can only imagine they are using solid gold conductors for all the cables and connectors. Plus a crazy amount of design and custom fabrication time. Completely OTT of course. But then again, imagine losing the last race of a season and maybe the world championship title, due to one lose soldered wire. I wouldn't be surprised if these crazy lengths are almost standard practice in military aviation applications. The Singer loom is obviously a budget version.
k-ink said:
GregorFuk said:
I too question the 30K loom. 30K to develop? Perhaps. 30K in parts, materials, and labor today? Someone's on a heck of a day rate.
I seem to recall a formula one style loom costs around £1m, if you believe that? I can only imagine they are using solid gold conductors for all the cables and connectors. Plus a crazy amount of design and custom fabrication time. Completely OTT of course. But then again, imagine losing the last race of a season and maybe the world championship title, due to one lose soldered wire. I wouldn't be surprised if these crazy lengths are almost standard practice in military aviation applications. The Singer loom is obviously a budget version.
Gull Slayer said:
Just read this and WOW! £500,000! Last I read it was £250,00 and was saving hard for the next.....years but 500,000 I blown out just can't do it. Back to the Trebant.
$500,000 not £!still a heck of a money admittedly but it's all dependant on spec remember, they also state in the videos that they start at around $350,000.
makes you think really, when you consider what porsche were selling 993s for in the 90's just what a bargain a really mint second hand 993 is.
why did i sell my individual build one again
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