Range Rover Hybrid - Major Problem
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They are really good cars...they're just built by Brummies*.
Yet another sensor that's either in a critical position or the software effectively puts it in a critical position - my ex-boss' L494 RRS was in the dealership for 3 weeks just before the warranty ran-out. The fault? The oil-pressure sensor sender. Probably a £5 part. Except because of where it was, and how the car was designed, it took a LOT of hours to replace - front sub-frame off (with all that associates on a 4wd car), sump off, etc... He got told they replaced 17 different parts in getting to / fitting that one sender. They wouldn't tell him what the warranty bill was going back to JLR. Collectively we guessed at well north of £1k. All for the sake of not having a physical dipstick...
* Lode Lane is notorious for the culture. Add-in JLR's attitude towards supplier profitability (or not), i.e. is it any wonder they get fitted with bottom-dollar componentry...and you've got a high % of Friday-afternoon cars.
Yet another sensor that's either in a critical position or the software effectively puts it in a critical position - my ex-boss' L494 RRS was in the dealership for 3 weeks just before the warranty ran-out. The fault? The oil-pressure sensor sender. Probably a £5 part. Except because of where it was, and how the car was designed, it took a LOT of hours to replace - front sub-frame off (with all that associates on a 4wd car), sump off, etc... He got told they replaced 17 different parts in getting to / fitting that one sender. They wouldn't tell him what the warranty bill was going back to JLR. Collectively we guessed at well north of £1k. All for the sake of not having a physical dipstick...
* Lode Lane is notorious for the culture. Add-in JLR's attitude towards supplier profitability (or not), i.e. is it any wonder they get fitted with bottom-dollar componentry...and you've got a high % of Friday-afternoon cars.
The Wookie said:
It does make you wonder with these surveys how much it comes down to expectation vs reality.
Audi Owner - ‘the EML came on every now and again over the course of 3 years and the dealer couldn’t find the fault. It’s German it should be reliable’
Vauxhall Owner - ‘I did 30k in it and the gearbox didn’t fall out, I was expecting to be on first name terms with every RAC man in the south east’
Why would it make you wonder that?Audi Owner - ‘the EML came on every now and again over the course of 3 years and the dealer couldn’t find the fault. It’s German it should be reliable’
Vauxhall Owner - ‘I did 30k in it and the gearbox didn’t fall out, I was expecting to be on first name terms with every RAC man in the south east’
The survey in question publishes the criteria, so if you're wondering you can just look it up. An Audi and a Vauxhall and a Nissan and a Dacia are treated exactly the same
Jimmy Recard said:
The Wookie said:
It does make you wonder with these surveys how much it comes down to expectation vs reality.
Audi Owner - ‘the EML came on every now and again over the course of 3 years and the dealer couldn’t find the fault. It’s German it should be reliable’
Vauxhall Owner - ‘I did 30k in it and the gearbox didn’t fall out, I was expecting to be on first name terms with every RAC man in the south east’
Why would it make you wonder that?Audi Owner - ‘the EML came on every now and again over the course of 3 years and the dealer couldn’t find the fault. It’s German it should be reliable’
Vauxhall Owner - ‘I did 30k in it and the gearbox didn’t fall out, I was expecting to be on first name terms with every RAC man in the south east’
The survey in question publishes the criteria, so if you're wondering you can just look it up. An Audi and a Vauxhall and a Nissan and a Dacia are treated exactly the same
Ron99 said:
Don't forget Skoda, who were 3rd out of 26 manufacturers last year. 
Or Vauxhall, who were 7th.
Sadly LR came in at 24th out of 26 last year, with only Audi and BMW being even more unreliable.
I suspect that people's interpretation of criteria is still fairly subjective even if the criteria are published.Or Vauxhall, who were 7th.
Sadly LR came in at 24th out of 26 last year, with only Audi and BMW being even more unreliable.
AJB said:
Jimmy Recard said:
The Wookie said:
It does make you wonder with these surveys how much it comes down to expectation vs reality.
Audi Owner - ‘the EML came on every now and again over the course of 3 years and the dealer couldn’t find the fault. It’s German it should be reliable’
Vauxhall Owner - ‘I did 30k in it and the gearbox didn’t fall out, I was expecting to be on first name terms with every RAC man in the south east’
Why would it make you wonder that?Audi Owner - ‘the EML came on every now and again over the course of 3 years and the dealer couldn’t find the fault. It’s German it should be reliable’
Vauxhall Owner - ‘I did 30k in it and the gearbox didn’t fall out, I was expecting to be on first name terms with every RAC man in the south east’
The survey in question publishes the criteria, so if you're wondering you can just look it up. An Audi and a Vauxhall and a Nissan and a Dacia are treated exactly the same
Ron99 said:
Don't forget Skoda, who were 3rd out of 26 manufacturers last year.
Or Vauxhall, who were 7th.
Sadly LR came in at 24th out of 26 last year, with only Audi and BMW being even more unreliable.
I suspect that people's interpretation of criteria is still fairly subjective even if the criteria are published.Or Vauxhall, who were 7th.
Sadly LR came in at 24th out of 26 last year, with only Audi and BMW being even more unreliable.
Willy Nilly said:
I think, but may be wrong that by the time Skoda get the components they have had most of the issues sorted out on them. IIRC there was someone on here that worked at some car assembly plants and said that the people in the Skoda really did care, possibly because they had known hard times and now had good jobs
There is perhaps a small element of that - when I had an Octavia it still had the old standalone diesel injector pump whilst the rest of VW group had moved over to the PD engines - Skoda got them a couple of years later. But I don't think it's all that significant, and is perhaps even less the case now than it was then (2002).And yes, I think the Skoda plant does put things together well, and perhaps the Seat plant least well.
My Skoda's engine was made in Germany and shipped to the Czech republic to join the car, and my current Audi's engine is made in the Skoda plant in the Czech republic and then shipped to Germany to join the car...
But looking on Audi forums the useful information almost gets lost amongst people getting upset that their brake discs have gone rusty and look messy through the wheels, and there's a rattle from the door pillar or seatbelt. On Skoda forums I never saw that mentioned as an issue. My personal experience is that neither had particularly rusty brake discs (not that I'd care anyway), and both had rattles!
DJP said:
Won't somebody think of the children? 
I mean seriously, dude?
All cars break down, some more than others, and if you can't handle that possibility then do yourself a favour and take the bus.
To be fair I’ve seen a few buses that have broken down over the years , he’d better stick to walking....I mean seriously, dude?
All cars break down, some more than others, and if you can't handle that possibility then do yourself a favour and take the bus.
AJB said:
I suspect that people's interpretation of criteria is still fairly subjective even if the criteria are published.
Agreed.But equally, a lot of that is proportionate to price paid. And while cars are conspicuous-consumption goods to a degree, most buyers expect to get more when they pay more.
So if you're paying 25-40% more (Audi-vs-Skoda, say), yet you're not overtly getting anything extra for your money bar a badge, then you're entitled to higher expectations. Sadly you don't usually get them anymore...
DJP said:
Buster73 said:
To be fair I’ve seen a few buses that have broken down over the years , he’d better stick to walking....
Fair one.Although I've also seen a few people get run over. Maybe the OP should just stay at home.
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