RE: Porsche 911 R: PH Videoblog
Discussion
chappardababbar said:
griffgrog said:
Here's a thought.... If the supply of 991R, GT3, RS, GT4 etc was as unrestricted as the regular car, would they sell many more? Would all these people complaining that they are being denied a car actually place an order if they were able to?
Instead, would the unrestricted numbers and 'normal' depreciation curves mean that they might even sell a few less of the halo cars than they currently do?
I bet quite a few of the people complaining that they can't get their hands on these halo cars, when faced with losing five figures a year in depreciation wouldn't actually buy the cars.
It's because they're limited and currently appreciate that people want them and not because they are better drivers cars. I'd argue that my C2 is the better car than either the GT3 or the R for anyone who actually wants to drive the car for thousands of miles a year.
Spot onInstead, would the unrestricted numbers and 'normal' depreciation curves mean that they might even sell a few less of the halo cars than they currently do?
I bet quite a few of the people complaining that they can't get their hands on these halo cars, when faced with losing five figures a year in depreciation wouldn't actually buy the cars.
It's because they're limited and currently appreciate that people want them and not because they are better drivers cars. I'd argue that my C2 is the better car than either the GT3 or the R for anyone who actually wants to drive the car for thousands of miles a year.
Slippydiff said:
the bottom line is Porsche AG are making good profits and don't (and haven't for quite some time now) care about their customers (loyal or not), whether that comes back to bite them in the arse in years to come, only time will tell.
To an extent, with the creation of the R, they already acknowledge they've lost a lot of well-heeled enthusiasts, some who feel a 997 is the last real driver's car, others who feel the 996 GT3 was the pinnacle, and yet more who crave the engagement of even earlier, air cooled variants. It would be very difficult to see any of these customers warming to anything, other than the 991R in the current model line up, if at all.Not to sat they might not have a cooking 991 for general duties, but for visceral driving fun, no.
mclwanB said:
If you are thinking that the 991.2 GT3 isn't already sold out to speculators- sorry, preferred customers- you're in cloud cuckoo land!
Yes, that's another can of worms.Mach said:
Slippydiff said:
+1 The only thing remarkable about the 911R is just how unremarkable it is. Stuttgart could produce them by the truck load, instead they choose to p*ss off large amounts of their loyal customers, make just about every OPC in the UK look like they were involved in large amounts of skullduggery and in the process pandered to the flippers/collectors rather than the true enthusiasts that have supported them by buying their products repeatedly over the years. The same could be said of the Cayman GT4 supply situation. It's a very strange business model Porsche AG are working to currently.
As you so rightly said, just make bloody cars and sell them.
No real interest in reading about this either.As you so rightly said, just make bloody cars and sell them.
As you say, a very strange business model and apparently designed to alienate loyal customers.
I've loved 911's since I was a child and I've owned 3, none of which were new, but all of which were maintained through the Porsche network with genuine parts etc.
However, I'm now in a position to consider buying new but as they won't sell me a 911 that I actually want (or a GT4 for that matter) I shall go elsewhere.
Porsche do realise we have choices right?
Think I'll just switch to a British manufacturer like McLaren as I've always supported the F1 team (even though admittedly they may well be no better with their halo cars), so they've lost a potential customer for life to another brand.
I'm wondering if part of the reason the companies dont care is because they'll all be making electric and then autonomous cars in the coming years and dont care about fostering younger customers, which is what most businesses would die for.
Quickmoose said:
Great video. sort of wish I hadn't watched - he confirms what many here already said; there's no parallel in the contemporary Porsche lineup.Think it proves how fickle the Porsche owner is...
Demand was massive for PDK, and not just with Porsche, for lap times and efficiency... manuals have and are being phased out.
But NOW the it's swung the other way... for engagement, fun and road driving, you really should have a stick...
Us REAL enthusiasts saw this coming of course
Demand was massive for PDK, and not just with Porsche, for lap times and efficiency... manuals have and are being phased out.
But NOW the it's swung the other way... for engagement, fun and road driving, you really should have a stick...
Us REAL enthusiasts saw this coming of course
I've never really gelled with any sort of auto for fast driving. I've tried all sorts, but with varying degrees of success and enjoyment. Probably the best results were on the Palmersport Clios or single seat racers.
I've always been happier with a manual for 'performance' driving, even though for daily driving I've happily owned and run autos for years.
I've always been happier with a manual for 'performance' driving, even though for daily driving I've happily owned and run autos for years.
Car enthusiasts especially Porsche people should be praising Andreas and his team as well as the Porsche directors including the VAG board.
The complete range of 991 GT cars is superb.
I have now driven the 991 GT3, the RS and the 'R' and each car is phenomenal, take my advise work with your dealer, keep in touch and consider buying other cars if suitable while you wait for the model they suggest would be available in the future.
The cost of the driving pleasure of owning any new GT Porsche over a two or three year period is very good value at the moment but my reason for buying all my cars was the pure driving pleasure. The BMW CSL being another example of cars I have driven in the past.
To put it into prospective owning many high end SUV's is far higher.
The complete range of 991 GT cars is superb.
I have now driven the 991 GT3, the RS and the 'R' and each car is phenomenal, take my advise work with your dealer, keep in touch and consider buying other cars if suitable while you wait for the model they suggest would be available in the future.
The cost of the driving pleasure of owning any new GT Porsche over a two or three year period is very good value at the moment but my reason for buying all my cars was the pure driving pleasure. The BMW CSL being another example of cars I have driven in the past.
To put it into prospective owning many high end SUV's is far higher.
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