'Street racer' jailed because somebody else crashed.

[T0MMY]

thelawnet said:

Of course not. The offence is causing death by dangerous driving. Or on a lesser note death by careless driving.

The exception here is death by driving while uninsured/disqualified/etc., and this CAN be proven without any bad driving.

Point taken that there may have been more to it but say for argument's sake there wasn't, I sort of fail to see the difference between my hypothetical example and the case we're discussing. Ultimately, the girl tried to keep up with him and crashed. My fictitious HGV driver is doing the same thing. The fact that I am not driving dangerously isn't really the point as it wasn't literally my car that killed anyone, it was the situation I have apparently created.

[Vipers]

Kozy said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-29444823

I can't believe this. Twelve years in prison because some dopey young woman in a badly maintained car

Typical PH, link said "He said that although Miss Learoyd's Fiat had faults

Which "had faults" really ment "badly maintaied", we assume so much.

Anyway thats one bad ass boy racer off our streets for a while.

[trashbat]

The 500 had previously been written off (Graun article on pg 2).

[thelawnet]

T0MMY said:

Point taken that there may have been more to it but say for argument's sake there wasn't, I sort of fail to see the difference between my hypothetical example and the case we're discussing. Ultimately, the girl tried to keep up with him and crashed. My fictitious HGV driver is doing the same thing. The fact that I am not driving dangerously isn't really the point as it wasn't literally my car that killed anyone, it was the situation I have apparently created.

But you are trusting a media report that this was about a girl keeping up with him. Fact is, it wasn't, because he pleaded guilty. The media angle is just journalist bullst to make a story. Don't trust it.

[T0MMY]

thelawnet said:

But you are trusting a media report that this was about a girl keeping up with him. Fact is, it wasn't, because he pleaded guilty. The media angle is just journalist bullst to make a story. Don't trust it.

Well I did accept your assertion there was more to it so that's fine. What about my hypothetical case though?

I suppose the reason this all concerns me is that while I'm relatively responsible (40,000 miles/yr, no points, no crashes in 13 years) I do drive in a spirited fashion on suitable roads and it's not unknown for people to try to keep up with you when you're doing so in an interesting car. I have previously backed off if the person seems like a liability but if I don't, it worries me that I may become responsible for any idiotic thing they then do.

"Racing" can be a fine line...if I'm keeping to a good lick down a country road and someone else is doing the same ahead of or behind me am I deemed to be racing them?

[lord trumpton]

He looks a bit of a cock and best locked up out of the way.

[thelawnet]

T0MMY said:

Well I did accept your assertion there was more to it so that's fine. What about my hypothetical case though?

I suppose the reason this all concerns me is that while I'm relatively responsible (40,000 miles/yr, no points, no crashes in 13 years) I do drive in a spirited fashion on suitable roads and it's not unknown for people to try to keep up with you when you're doing so in an interesting car. I have previously backed off if the person seems like a liability but if I don't, it worries me that I may become responsible for any idiotic thing they then do.

"Racing" can be a fine line...if I'm keeping to a good lick down a country road and someone else is doing the same ahead of or behind me am I deemed to be racing them?

Maybe start a new thread about it, or find some similar cases, because I don't see that it's relevant here, given that he pled guilty.

[northandy]

T0MMY said:

Well I did accept your assertion there was more to it so that's fine. What about my hypothetical case though?

I suppose the reason this all concerns me is that while I'm relatively responsible (40,000 miles/yr, no points, no crashes in 13 years) I do drive in a spirited fashion on suitable roads and it's not unknown for people to try to keep up with you when you're doing so in an interesting car. I have previously backed off if the person seems like a liability but if I don't, it worries me that I may become responsible for any idiotic thing they then do.

"Racing" can be a fine line...if I'm keeping to a good lick down a country road and someone else is doing the same ahead of or behind me am I deemed to be racing them?

I guess is it worth the risk of an accident and then being embroiled in this kind of situation?, for me the concern would be if you are driving something tasty, with proper sorted suspension and brakes there's a lot of "quick" cars which could give chase in a straight line, but what happens if they overcook it?.

As I've got older I don't allow the red mist to descend anymore, so I'd be pulling over and letting them past, is it worth it.

[Vipers]

trashbat said:

The 500 had previously been written off (Graun article on pg 2).

Your right, but it only says faults, not badly maintained.

[trashbat]

Vipers said:

Your right, but it only says faults, not badly maintained.

Pure conjecture but I read into the reports as suggesting it didn't go through proper due process (e.g. VIC and engineer check) or the repair was passed but actually was a bodge.

[Vipers]

trashbat said:

Vipers said:

Your right, but it only says faults, not badly maintained.

Pure conjecture but I read into the reports as suggesting it didn't go through proper due process (e.g. VIC and engineer check) or the repair was passed but actually was a bodge.

Sorry, you have lost me there.

[ModernAndy]

Her role probably has been very much overlooked but what that is is media bias and has nothing to do with how deserving the guy was of the sentence he got.

The actual circumstances are very vague but I'd very much doubt her overtake was as long as the time it took her to get up to nearly 80 given the driving of the guy who was jailed.

[dudleybloke]

The person responsible for the deaths was the one who was driving on the wrong side of the road.

It realy is that simple.

She was driving a defective vehicle at high speed into oncoming traffic and instead of slowing down and tucking behind the car she was obsessed with beating she kept her foot in till it was too late.

The bloke who was jailed is a tt alright but he's not responsible for her totally reckless behavior.

And as for "blocking her overtake", he didn't keep her foot on the throttle, she did.

[WCZ]

KingNothing said:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone try and incite a teenage girl driven Fiat 500 into a race, I wouldn't think this particular type of car would be the typical target of this particular knuckledragger, and so I'm a bit dubious on this whole "incite to race" situation, I and alot of us on here would need to know very specific details of the case, which I don't think we are ever going to get.

+1 seems very strange

I'm surprised she rose to the bait.

The whole thing makes me a little concerned about who I overtake now, on occasion I've (safely) overtaken a car on empty country roads and shot off away from them, it's possible that unbeknown to me they tried to keep up and caused an accident to which I could be accountable for?