Biggest improvement between a car and its direct successor
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
Can't comment on the 260/280, but I'd be very surprised.
The others. gosh golly .... people on here ffs
Dynamically the TR7 was far superior to TR6. Yes the 6 was very cool in a hairy chested manor. I actually like them. But the S6 engine was strangled to death and made less power in most markets than the 2.0 in the TR7. Certainly in many a magazine test the TR7 was quicker in a straight line and round a race track. TR6 used old fashioned construction for a sports car and hugely compromised rear suspension, despite being IRS (it just didn't work all that well). The TR7 might have had a live axle, but it was a very well sorted setup. By any rational metric the TR7 out performed the TR6 bar probably engine sound. But the 7 was always destined to have V8 power.
Likewise the XJ-S was a much better GT car than the E-Type was.
The others. gosh golly .... people on here ffs
Dynamically the TR7 was far superior to TR6. Yes the 6 was very cool in a hairy chested manor. I actually like them. But the S6 engine was strangled to death and made less power in most markets than the 2.0 in the TR7. Certainly in many a magazine test the TR7 was quicker in a straight line and round a race track. TR6 used old fashioned construction for a sports car and hugely compromised rear suspension, despite being IRS (it just didn't work all that well). The TR7 might have had a live axle, but it was a very well sorted setup. By any rational metric the TR7 out performed the TR6 bar probably engine sound. But the 7 was always destined to have V8 power.
Likewise the XJ-S was a much better GT car than the E-Type was.
Pannywagon said:
Yes, absolutely. But then there was the electrics going through the tailgate hinges: they wiring would break and the window wouldn’t open/lights stop working.
Then there was the fibre optic cabling for the iDrive.
All the above! From base to M5 the F1x was such a step up on the E6x models, but more akin to the e39.Then there was the fibre optic cabling for the iDrive.
Drove all 535 e39, great car! E60 m5, for me the v10 just didn’t work and the gearbox was too harsh. F10 m5, what a car! Fun as the e39, but with all the trappings you’d expect.
stickleback123 said:
Lot of rose tinted spectacles thinking a TR6 is better than a TR7 etc.
Only people who've never driven them think the E-Type is a better car than the XJS, you might think the E-Type looks better (although people always compare the early E type not the ruined Series 3 cars) but they're horrible things to drive, like a particularly recalcitrant small lorry. The XJS is truly great to drive even in comparison to modern stuff, and you can do 5 hour runs without fatigue; try that in an E Type.
I was just about to post the exact same thing - plus the horrible rear wheel steering sensation that you always seem to get from an etype Only people who've never driven them think the E-Type is a better car than the XJS, you might think the E-Type looks better (although people always compare the early E type not the ruined Series 3 cars) but they're horrible things to drive, like a particularly recalcitrant small lorry. The XJS is truly great to drive even in comparison to modern stuff, and you can do 5 hour runs without fatigue; try that in an E Type.
ClaphamGT3 said:
stickleback123 said:
Lot of rose tinted spectacles thinking a TR6 is better than a TR7 etc.
Only people who've never driven them think the E-Type is a better car than the XJS, you might think the E-Type looks better (although people always compare the early E type not the ruined Series 3 cars) but they're horrible things to drive, like a particularly recalcitrant small lorry. The XJS is truly great to drive even in comparison to modern stuff, and you can do 5 hour runs without fatigue; try that in an E Type.
I was just about to post the exact same thing - plus the horrible rear wheel steering sensation that you always seem to get from an etype Only people who've never driven them think the E-Type is a better car than the XJS, you might think the E-Type looks better (although people always compare the early E type not the ruined Series 3 cars) but they're horrible things to drive, like a particularly recalcitrant small lorry. The XJS is truly great to drive even in comparison to modern stuff, and you can do 5 hour runs without fatigue; try that in an E Type.
I suppose it'll become another bulls
t speculator market where it has value as a currency, irrespective of it's (lack of) merit as a car.
stickleback123 said:
I do wonder what'll happen to E Type values when all the old boys who love them and pay £100k for them die. There are LOADS of them out there, they're bloody awful things to drive, and if you didn't covet one as a kid why would you want one as an adult.
I suppose it'll become another bullst speculator market where it has value as a currency, irrespective of it's (lack of) merit as a car.
I don't know that much about it but I've heard grumbles from the prewar and early postwar car scene that interest in the regular everyday cars has really fallen off in the last decade or so, even when the big classic car YouTubers cover them people skip over the videos. I wouldn't be surprised for that to extend into the '50s and '60s as the supply of people who remember seeing them on the road or having relatives who owned one dries up.I suppose it'll become another bulls
t speculator market where it has value as a currency, irrespective of it's (lack of) merit as a car.Whether the E-Type is iconic enough and has appeared in enough films and TV to escape that is another question... and probably rather a different one for an early Series 1 convertible than it is for a late Series 3 2+2.
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