An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
theplayingmantis said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
"for about a mile and a half"Not in the spirit of this thread, are you!
Why bother to speed up to 60? Have you worked out how much time that saves you?!
There was a time when the IAM (and others) wanted you to be ready to accelerate at the NSL sign, and do as you do. But not now. We are supposed to be saving the planet.
Your wrong and it's inconsiderate bad driving. If the authorities wanted you to do 30 in that section they wouldn't have it as NSL.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The `culture' could be to make cars travel so slowly, there is little point in anyone having them anymore, as a snide way, of getting people to give up their cars.
Humans have been trying to go faster, or find ways of going faster, since they discovered that it was always the slow ones, who got caught, and eaten.
First they discovered that by jumping on the back of another animal, they could travel faster, and further, than they could when using their own feet.
Then they discovered that by inventing, and using things called steam trains, they could go faster, and further (and carry more) than they could by using animals.
Next they discovered that by inventing things called cars, they could go faster, further, and carry more, and do that, from where they actually lived to where they actually wanted to go.
They also invented powered ships, which let them do the same thing on the water.
Unbelievably, they then went on to invent, and use things called aircraft, which let them get from point A to point B, even faster than any other of the methods they were inventing to move faster.
Some might even see that over centuries of human development, the trend has been, to find ways of going faster, so that going faster must be an intrinsic part of (most) humans DNA.
We now seem to be getting a rash of luddites, who want to rail against normal human nature, and its need to find ways of travelling faster, and want us all to go back to travelling slowly (or not even travel at all?) perhaps they would prefer it, if they could take us all back to the speed of the stone age?
Active relegation of cars to second or possibly third class transport. That's been building for many years but now the zealots have taken control. Definitely an offence to the human demand for progress.Humans have been trying to go faster, or find ways of going faster, since they discovered that it was always the slow ones, who got caught, and eaten.
First they discovered that by jumping on the back of another animal, they could travel faster, and further, than they could when using their own feet.
Then they discovered that by inventing, and using things called steam trains, they could go faster, and further (and carry more) than they could by using animals.
Next they discovered that by inventing things called cars, they could go faster, further, and carry more, and do that, from where they actually lived to where they actually wanted to go.
They also invented powered ships, which let them do the same thing on the water.
Unbelievably, they then went on to invent, and use things called aircraft, which let them get from point A to point B, even faster than any other of the methods they were inventing to move faster.
Some might even see that over centuries of human development, the trend has been, to find ways of going faster, so that going faster must be an intrinsic part of (most) humans DNA.
We now seem to be getting a rash of luddites, who want to rail against normal human nature, and its need to find ways of travelling faster, and want us all to go back to travelling slowly (or not even travel at all?) perhaps they would prefer it, if they could take us all back to the speed of the stone age?
But how else could public transport be made competitive?
bigothunter said:
theplayingmantis said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
"for about a mile and a half"Not in the spirit of this thread, are you!
Why bother to speed up to 60? Have you worked out how much time that saves you?!
There was a time when the IAM (and others) wanted you to be ready to accelerate at the NSL sign, and do as you do. But not now. We are supposed to be saving the planet.
Your wrong and it's inconsiderate bad driving. If the authorities wanted you to do 30 in that section they wouldn't have it as NSL.
It took that distance for me to have a clear line of sight, and as I went past I set my cruise control to 50 mph, and gave the driver a little shake of my head.
Have we no accelerator pedal ?
According to Google maps I arrived on my 26 mile comute 5 mins earlier than expected, and yet, I didn't go over the speed limit. I did overtake every car that I could, including crossing a chevron with broken lines. What's the point of that? Well, you overtake 5 cars, and you subsequently either reach the traffic lights on red and have gained nothing or, (50% of the time) you arrive on green, and the last 3 cars in the queue, find they have to stop as it changes to red. That would have been you.
Julian Scott said:
I've not read 70+ pages of this, but the topic certainly resonates.
My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.
Christ, calm down you patronising, judgemental bellend. My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.
Om said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
Pit Pony said:
They got it seriously right indeed. Cycling makes a lot of sense for so many trips for which we use the car. Given the UK's chronic obesity problems it would also help the NHS if people did a bit of exercise rather than jump into their car for short trips.A few irritable Phers might struggle with so many cyclists around though.
M4cruiser said:
Ah, that makes sense now, I was already further west before I started the "walking".
It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
Looks suitable for at least 80 to me It's NSL alright, but there are several indications that 60 is too fast, like a "slippery road" sign, a "SLOW" painted in the road, a road narrows sign, double bend sign IIRC, and a hazard line down the middle.
So, yes I'd exceed 30, but not up to 60.
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
"for about a mile and a half"Not in the spirit of this thread, are you!
Why bother to speed up to 60? Have you worked out how much time that saves you?!
There was a time when the IAM (and others) wanted you to be ready to accelerate at the NSL sign, and do as you do. But not now. We are supposed to be saving the planet.
As for saving the planet, I drive a Supercharged V8.....but I cycle twice as far as I drive.
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
Edited to add this:
NSL from about here:
In fact, you can see the white markings as it goes from NSL to 30 on the eastbound side of the road
Edited by Julian Scott on Wednesday 15th May 14:58
Om said:
M4cruiser said:
Julian Scott said:
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
I've just "walked" along there on Google Streetview and the NSL signs are not obvious - can you post a link to the point it changes?It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
Magikarp said:
Julian Scott said:
I've not read 70+ pages of this, but the topic certainly resonates.
My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that wker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.
Christ, calm down you patronising, judgemental bellend. My summation is, it is stupidity. And specifically, people that don't know what road signs mean.
I travel along a 3 mile road every day (Knutsford Road from Alderley, until it becomes Hall Lane in Mobberley, where I turn off, if you know the area), there and back at least once, sometimes twice, on the way to my gym.
It starts as a justifiable 30 limit as it is residential and near a school. It then becomes a questionable 30 limit (used to be 50), as it gets more rural but still with a couple of houses....it then becomes 'National Speed Limit' for about a mile and a half, before reverting again to a 30 as it hits the outer parts of the village.
At least half the drivers do c35-40mph on the entire 3 mile stretch, oblivious to the speed limit. Most of the rest stick at 30 for the whole duration, will wave furiously or flash lights if you overtake in the NSL section (only really one real overtaking spot).
Twice, someone has followed me into the gym car park (one a gym member, the other a resident of the houses on the same complex) and made comments about my 'speeding', neither knew the NSL sign meant NSL, nor that it meant 60mph on that road.
The other reason is that w
ker organisations like 'BRAKE' have sought to dumb down the entire population to think that 'Speed Kills' and that if you drive slowly you are safe, ignoring the fact that only about 5% of RTCs are caused by speeding..... this means that Karen, driving her Toyota Enema, sits at 30mph while she juggles her phone, make-up, eating sweets between glugs of a Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte from the 7l Stanley Cup nestled between her obese thighs whilst shouting at her 4 kids in the back....but she thinks she is 100% safe and an exemplary driver *because* she is doing 30mph.Is your real name Karen? Did you spill your Venti-Mocha-Frappa-Latte on your Birkenstocks?
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