RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo GT | PH Review

RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo GT | PH Review

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jayemm89

4,130 posts

136 months

Friday 12th April
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Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is

Nomme de Plum

5,891 posts

22 months

Friday 12th April
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jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
Surely as long as it is evidenced that max power is limited for a certain period then that's not misleading.

"With that upgraded pulse inverter, all Taycan Turbo GTs produce a nominal 778bhp (580kW), a figure that increases to 1019bhp (760kW) when using Launch Control and ultimately peaks at 1093bhp (815kw) – albeit for only two seconds at a time.

Maximum torque – with Launch Control – is 988lb ft.

Attack Mode is described as ‘push-to-pass on steroids’. Activated by a paddle behind the steering wheel (you can also use the regular button, but the paddle is easier on track) it instantly stuffs ‘up to’ 161bhp more into the drivetrain for 10 seconds max, handy for slingshotting out of corners or dispatching slower traffic. A quicker system recovery time means you can use it more often, too.

We’ve already established the standard Taycan Turbo GT goes 180mph flat out; with Launch Control its 0-62mph time is 2.3sec, and it will do 0-124mph in 6.6sec.

The Taycan Turbo GT Weissach Pack compliments its 189.5mph top speed with 0-62mph in 2.2sec and 0-124mph in 6.4sec. The latter is 1.3 seconds quicker than the Taycan Turbo S."

Edited by Nomme de Plum on Friday 12th April 11:31

Scott-R

122 posts

111 months

Friday 12th April
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jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
I don’t necessarily disagree, but bear in mind any power figure for an internal combustion engine is really a peak power figure, that is only achieved at a certain RPM. When you are outside of that point on the engine’s power curve, you are also developing less power than the headline figure. Stuff like the BMW 1M had 5 second overboost too.

Terminator X

16,171 posts

210 months

Friday 12th April
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Nomme de Plum said:
Terminator X said:
They only sound bad because of the Regs + getting more onerous every year. Eventually it will be zero and there will no sound from any car. Will you be happy then?

TX.
Perhaps you could post those year on year regulation changes to evidence your assertion.

Alternatively. Periodically and as the evidence mounts and conclusions become more clear car engine emissions are legislated to be reduced.

I think anyone who lives in a town or maybe on a busy road would like traffic noise to be reduced to a point that it is no longer intrusive.
I didn't say every year I said year on year.

"The first ‘Motor Cars (Excessive Noise)’ regulations were introduced back in 1929, and limits have been progressively reduced since then. In 1978, for instance, vehicles were allowed to produce 82 decibels in “normal traffic conditions”, which generally involves a drive-by test measured from a fixed point 7.5 metres away, under a certain level of acceleration."

"Since 2016 the UK adopted EU regulation 2014/540, which set an initial noise limit of 72 decibels – actually around ten times quieter than the 1978 limit, since decibels use a logarithmic scale – and this will go down to around 68 decibels by 2026, alongside revisions to the car noise test procedure to make it more accurate."

70db is like the sound of a shower or dishwasher.

68db is conversation level sound.

TX.

pheonix478

1,880 posts

44 months

Friday 12th April
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jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
How long do you imagine ICE cars sustain their maximum quoted power? Peak power is just that, peak. Most of the rev range is well below peak power. The only time you ever get close to running at a sustained peak power is sat at VMax, the rest of the time you just pass through it.

Edited by pheonix478 on Friday 12th April 17:01

Kawasicki

13,439 posts

241 months

Friday 12th April
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jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
Lots of questionable stuff goes on. I’ve worked on projects where the car was sold as having 600bhp, but it only generated the peak in 3rd gear or higher. In first and second it was limited to not overload the gearbox. This car was sold in a country with a 60mph limit, but it only generated the advertised power at maybe 100mph.

Bladedancer

1,360 posts

202 months

Monday 15th April
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I don't care for the car but the colour - oh my, what a beautiful shade. Great to see more companies re-discovering purples and violets.

ChocolateFrog

28,199 posts

179 months

Monday 15th April
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jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
It's a fair comment although it'll be able to reduce most straights to 2 seconds with over a 1000hp.

Nomme de Plum

5,891 posts

22 months

Monday 15th April
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Terminator X said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Terminator X said:
They only sound bad because of the Regs + getting more onerous every year. Eventually it will be zero and there will no sound from any car. Will you be happy then?

TX.
Perhaps you could post those year on year regulation changes to evidence your assertion.

Alternatively. Periodically and as the evidence mounts and conclusions become more clear car engine emissions are legislated to be reduced.

I think anyone who lives in a town or maybe on a busy road would like traffic noise to be reduced to a point that it is no longer intrusive.
I didn't say every year I said year on year.

"The first ‘Motor Cars (Excessive Noise)’ regulations were introduced back in 1929, and limits have been progressively reduced since then. In 1978, for instance, vehicles were allowed to produce 82 decibels in “normal traffic conditions”, which generally involves a drive-by test measured from a fixed point 7.5 metres away, under a certain level of acceleration."

"Since 2016 the UK adopted EU regulation 2014/540, which set an initial noise limit of 72 decibels – actually around ten times quieter than the 1978 limit, since decibels use a logarithmic scale – and this will go down to around 68 decibels by 2026, alongside revisions to the car noise test procedure to make it more accurate."

70db is like the sound of a shower or dishwasher.

68db is conversation level sound.

TX.
That's a good thing then isn't it. If vehicle noise does not exceed normal conversation peoples lives will not be so negatively impacted by unnecessary noise. The health benefits should be pretty obvious especially for those living in cities and adjacent busy main roads.

BTW you did actually say "getting more onerous every year" not "year on year."






Terminator X

16,171 posts

210 months

Monday 15th April
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Nomme de Plum said:
That's a good thing then isn't it. If vehicle noise does not exceed normal conversation peoples lives will not be so negatively impacted by unnecessary noise. The health benefits should be pretty obvious especially for those living in cities and adjacent busy main roads.

BTW you did actually say "getting more onerous every year" not "year on year."
Fair enough although that's what I meant to say beer

I can't agree with car noise at conversation levels though, insane. Just make it electric only in cities and be done with it - health and noise levels sorted + the rest of us can still enjoy ourselves.

TX.

Nomme de Plum

5,891 posts

22 months

Monday 15th April
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Terminator X said:
Nomme de Plum said:
That's a good thing then isn't it. If vehicle noise does not exceed normal conversation peoples lives will not be so negatively impacted by unnecessary noise. The health benefits should be pretty obvious especially for those living in cities and adjacent busy main roads.

BTW you did actually say "getting more onerous every year" not "year on year."
Fair enough although that's what I meant to say beer

I can't agree with car noise at conversation levels though, insane. Just make it electric only in cities and be done with it - health and noise levels sorted + the rest of us can still enjoy ourselves.

TX.
That's cool I suspected it was.

We do however live in a populous nation with lots of ribbon development and whilst noise is not an issue in remote places without development many villages have busy main roads through them and it's unfair on the residents to have to tolerate incessant noise. How we deal with HGVs will be a real challenge. Low frequency sound (vibration) is really hard to attenuate.

I've always chosen to live in locations where I get little passing traffic and then in the main it's cars although we now get loads of delivery vans. Not everyone has the ability to make such a choice.

pheonix478

1,880 posts

44 months

Monday 15th April
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ChocolateFrog said:
jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
It's a fair comment although it'll be able to reduce most straights to 2 seconds with over a 1000hp.
It's not really though. An ICE only makes it's peak power in a very narrow band of revs that in all but top gear you pass through in much less than 2 seconds but no one has a problem with that.

Dave211

25 posts

47 months

Thursday 18th April
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As good as they may be it’s still only an electric lorry. It’s got four doors! Lose two of them and the rear seats, Take 12-18 inches off the wheel base and 12 inches off the width and shed a tonne it may make decent but not exceptional car.
The scary thing is bearing in mind the cost new is the bottom has fallen out of the used values.

pheonix478

1,880 posts

44 months

Thursday 18th April
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Dave211 said:
As good as they may be it’s still only an electric lorry. It’s got four doors! Lose two of them and the rear seats, Take 12-18 inches off the wheel base and 12 inches off the width and shed a tonne it may make decent but not exceptional car.
The scary thing is bearing in mind the cost new is the bottom has fallen out of the used values.
rolleyes

740EVTORQUES

980 posts

7 months

Thursday 18th April
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pheonix478 said:
Dave211 said:
As good as they may be it’s still only an electric lorry. It’s got four doors! Lose two of them and the rear seats, Take 12-18 inches off the wheel base and 12 inches off the width and shed a tonne it may make decent but not exceptional car.
The scary thing is bearing in mind the cost new is the bottom has fallen out of the used values.
rolleyes
Confused, don’t lorry’s have 2 doors usually?

wc98

11,084 posts

146 months

Thursday 18th April
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pheonix478 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
jayemm89 said:
Am I the only one who thinks manufacturers shouldn't be using power figures to sell a car if it can only sustain it for two seconds?

I've no doubt it's ludicrously quick already but it seems a tad disingenuous to call it an 1100hp car when it almost never is
It's a fair comment although it'll be able to reduce most straights to 2 seconds with over a 1000hp.
It's not really though. An ICE only makes it's peak power in a very narrow band of revs that in all but top gear you pass through in much less than 2 seconds but no one has a problem with that.
It is really though. It's good to know that if i am ever in a three vehicle train again that consisted of two sports bikes and an RS6 flat out (we went past our turn off by 20 miles due to the fun, even though there was intermittent hail ) on a German autobahn for 50 miles any top spec Taycan that joins the party is only going to be there for a few seconds. biggrin

Edited by wc98 on Thursday 18th April 22:57

pheonix478

1,880 posts

44 months

Friday 19th April
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wc98 said:
It is really though. It's good to know that if i am ever in a three vehicle train again that consisted of two sports bikes and an RS6 flat out (we went past our turn off by 20 miles due to the fun, even though there was intermittent hail ) on a German autobahn for 50 miles any top spec Taycan that joins the party is only going to be there for a few seconds. biggrin

Edited by wc98 on Thursday 18th April 22:57
Luckily it's still got 800bhp in 'limp home mode'. In any event the Taycan driver wouldn't have missed his exit as he would have been keen to get home to his beautiful wife rather than chase after 2 men dressed in tight leather. biggrin