An epidemic of insanely slow drivers

[Julian Scott]

croyde said:

popeyewhite said:

irc said:

popeyewhite said:

Nerves/temerity in abundance on the Cheshire roads today. Most annoying instance of such was when following a Golf that braked every time another car approached.

Agreed. Very annoying following a driver who believes braking makes his car narrower.

Yes, well put.

I usually just breath in.

Or close one eye and wince slightly. That works really well.

[Hoofy]

Gad-Westy said:

I'm fairly neutral on this topic generally. Try not to let slow drivers bother me too much so none of the anger and aggression some seem to suffer from but sometimes one needs a place to vent so....

Took my Lotus out a for a little drive on Saturday afternoon as the weather was lovely. Lovely drive out into the Pennines. Heading back, about 30 miles from home, I stopped to message the other half and say I'd be about 45 mins. I just had to drive east along Weardale from Alston ish area to those that know it. Quite a nice road in places, generally pretty quiet. Five mins after setting off I caught up with a car following a bike, following another car with a slow moving Skoda at the front of the queue. Speed pretty much a constant 40 with no distinction made for villages (sound familiar?). So few overtaking places on that road anyway and a reasonable amount of traffic heading the other way meant that even the biker was stuck there. This went on for about 10 miles until somewhat unbelievably we caught up with another car! Now we were all doing between 25 and 30 for at least another 10 miles. Took me just over an hour to get home. I said earlier on in this thread that I'm pretty tolerant of dawdlers and I'd never show aggression towards them but in turn it would be nice if they checked their mirrors from time to time to see just how many people they're holding up. If you have a queue behind you as far as the eye can see, it might be a good idea to pull in from time to time.

My MIL is unfortunately starting to adopt the dawdling mindset too. She and her other half will drive at 50 on motorways and 40 might even be considered too quick for them on many NSL's. I do my very best to avoid ever being in a car with either of them regardless who's driving but if my other half ever has to drive MIL anywhere the MIL always complains about the 'crazy' speeds. I imagine crazy in this scenario is anything over 45.

Get all the usual lines of 'what's the rush', 'you won't get there any quicker' etc. Arrrrgh!

I have to imagination people who's brains are wired this way must assume that almost everyone on the road is a suicidal maniac.

I'd like to think that when Mr 40 caught up, he was going absolutely mental at Mr 25.

Re your MIL, you should be a passenger and reprogram her so she believes she's a danger to other road users being so slow and also she might be holding someone up who needs to get to a hospital appointment or has just collected painkillers for a very sick relative and needs to get back home quickly. Also, it's a waste of petrol/electrons.

[G Thang]

Mr 'over 40's naughty' has submitted to the soul destroying inevitability of however slowly you drive, you will catch up with someone driving even more slowly: Mr 20's Plenty.

Edited by G Thang on Monday 20th May 16:13

[Hoofy]

G Thang said:

Mr 'over 40's naughty' has submitted to the soul destroying inevitability of however slowly you drive, you will catch up with someone driving even more slowly: Mr 20's Plenty.

Edited by G Thang on Monday 20th May 16:13

Oh God, you're right. He will now think that he's driving more than fast enough! WHEN WILL IT END!?

[theplayingmantis]

the-norseman said:

popeyewhite said:

Nerves/temerity in abundance on the Cheshire roads today. Most annoying instance of such was when following a Golf that braked every time another car approached.

I followed a car today that had a C63 AMG infront of it, the C63 was doing 45-50 on a major twisty A road, everytime something came the other way it braked. Luckily on my bike so went round them both when it was clear.

shouldn't say it but either an old boy trying to capture his lost youth or the owners 'partner'...stereotypes aside we know thats true in majority of such instances!

[theplayingmantis]

Hoofy said:

G Thang said:

What gets me is when they are doing 35 in a 60 and brake for a bend which you could comfortably take at 80. In theory, obvs.

It's when people are doing say 42 in a 50, they see a speed camera so hit the brakes and now we're doing 33 in a 50. Often happens on a d/c so not so bad. I look like I'm blasting past them at 50 like a speed demon when they're doing 33. And it's a 50 zone through a speed camera. I clearly live life on the edge.

ultimately people are stupid, evolution of the human race has reversed since the 60's ( i guess as i wasnt around back then). The only thing that will stop it is a mass extinction event, be it a war a natural disaster or whatever. Probably not a price worth paying.

[Hoofy]

theplayingmantis said:

Hoofy said:

G Thang said:

What gets me is when they are doing 35 in a 60 and brake for a bend which you could comfortably take at 80. In theory, obvs.

It's when people are doing say 42 in a 50, they see a speed camera so hit the brakes and now we're doing 33 in a 50. Often happens on a d/c so not so bad. I look like I'm blasting past them at 50 like a speed demon when they're doing 33. And it's a 50 zone through a speed camera. I clearly live life on the edge.

ultimately people are stupid, evolution of the human race has reversed since the 60's ( i guess as i wasnt around back then). The only thing that will stop it is a mass extinction event, be it a war a natural disaster or whatever. Probably not a price worth paying.

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[SV_WDC]

I'd really like to see the government, or someone start a campaign to educate what speeds NSL equals. The amount of cars I see doing 35-40 in these limits nowadays is infuriating. No doubt this has been discussed to death here. I'm actually thinking of some sort of social media awareness, user-generated content. Maybe on Facebook.

Oddly it seems to be lots of EV's driving like this too now which does surprise me as surely most of these cars tell people the speed on the MFD?

[Ifinishposts]

G Thang said:

What gets me is when they are doing 35 in a 60 and brake for a bend which you could comfortably take at 80. In theory, obvs.

Had exactly this one day last week, the car was a nearly new M3.

[the-norseman]

Went down to London yesterday on my motorbike so was even more cautious on the M1 than I usually am but it also gave me the opportunity to look around a little bit more.

Middle lane hoggers are either in their own little world not aware of anything around them or on their phone. One guy entered on the motorway and immediately switched to lane 3 of 4, nothing in any of the other lanes at all. I went past and had a look at him and he was in his own little world already.

[swisstoni]

the-norseman said:

Went down to London yesterday on my motorbike so was even more cautious on the M1 than I usually am but it also gave me the opportunity to look around a little bit more.

Middle lane hoggers are either in their own little world not aware of anything around them or on their phone. One guy entered on the motorway and immediately switched to lane 3 of 4, nothing in any of the other lanes at all. I went past and had a look at him and he was in his own little world already.

Yep. A lot of them see no harm in their choices. So, obviously, they see no issue whenever they are passed on the left.

I’m well past caring what they are thinking, frankly.

[Bootdog]

Things have changed a lot in the past decade or so :
I moved to the UK in 2012 and have done a lot of trips up and down the M1/M6 corridor in the meantime.
In 2012, lane 3 of the M1 meant you had to be at 90-100 or you'd be holding people up every time you did an overtake. I was very happy to adapt to this style of driving back then, and had some memorable "making progress" sessions over the years.
Compare this to last week, I'm now driving a campervan, and it can still do good pace but needs a bit of planning to get there. I stick to 70-ish, but will always accelerate to complete an overtake. I didn't hold anyone up, but I think I was passed at pace by maybe 5 cars over 200 miles from Liverpool down to London. There was no progress to be made due to holdups in lane 3 most of the way. Lane 2 was a disaster but lane 1 was generally almost as good as lane 3.

[irc]

swisstoni said:

Yep. A lot of them see no harm in their choices. So, obviously, they see no issue whenever they are passed on the left.

I’m well past caring what they are thinking, frankly.

Arguably safer passing on the left. They have no idea of other traffic. At least on the left you have the hard shoulder as an escape.

A new thing is on the two lane stretch of the M8 west of Glasgow airport seeing the outside lane down to 56mph as there is an EV doing 50 in the inside lane being overtaken by HGVs. This is the route from the west highlands towards Carlisle so I presume the EVs are on a long distance run conserving range. The alternate being they are just aholes. Range issues or not there is no excuse IMO for doing less than HGV speeds on a motorway.

[Blue One]

It is worse in London where a politically motivated 20mph limit has been imposed. This is an artificially slow speed for cars, and, thankfully most drivers seem to have intelligence to show some discretion on how much they abide to it where there aren’t cameras and clear roads. But this type of nanny state legislation, coupled with the mental sedation and conditioning of people that took place during lockdown seems to have had a permanent effect on certain demographics. The elderly especially who are either too scared, or scornful to drive their cars at a reasonable speed, whether in a 20mph zone or elsewhere. Of course, the other problem we have making cars drive more slowly are the swarms of entitled Lycra-clad cyclists you get out at the weekends, especially down country roads….

Driving is certainly fast losing its appeal as a hobby or pleasant pastime in many areas

[CLK-GTR]

Blue One said:

It is worse in London where a politically motivated 20mph limit has been imposed. This is an artificially slow speed for cars, and, thankfully most drivers seem to have intelligence to show some discretion on how much they abide to it where there aren’t cameras and clear roads. But this type of nanny state legislation, coupled with the mental sedation and conditioning of people that took place during lockdown seems to have had a permanent effect on certain demographics. The elderly especially who are either too scared, or scornful to drive their cars at a reasonable speed, whether in a 20mph zone or elsewhere. Of course, the other problem we have making cars drive more slowly are the swarms of entitled Lycra-clad cyclists you get out at the weekends, especially down country roads….

Driving is certainly fast losing its appeal as a hobby or pleasant pastime in many areas

London is a miserable experience...especially as a driver. I went in in my car the other day for the first time since i lived there about 15 years ago. Speed/red light/yellow box/bus lane/being an inch too far to the left cameras everywhere means you can hardly concentrate on the road ahead between checking the speedo, the nav and the various signs. Then you have the taxis and locals who do know where all the cameras are trying to cut you up, the entitled cyclists coming from all directions and lastly the deranged deliveroo mopeds. I'll not be going back in a hurry.

[AmazingGrace]

the-norseman said:

Went down to London yesterday on my motorbike so was even more cautious on the M1 than I usually am but it also gave me the opportunity to look around a little bit more.

Middle lane hoggers are either in their own little world not aware of anything around them or on their phone. One guy entered on the motorway and immediately switched to lane 3 of 4, nothing in any of the other lanes at all. I went past and had a look at him and he was in his own little world already.

Completely agree.
Went down to Gatwick to pick the Mrs up, the amount of drivers in lanes 3, 4 were totally oblivious.
Lane 1 is now the best lane to make progress. Most people just avoid it and I don’t know why.

Even joining the motorway, they will move straight to lane 2 and sit there.

Are they scared, or find motorways overwhelming?
Is it laziness ?

Like you I took a look and they’re away. Somewhere else but certainly not on the motorway

[theplayingmantis]

A130 the other week. Some chap who I assume had a license garnered overseas, with a passat over full I think of his student visa relatives. In L2 of 2 who pulled over as I approached at speedo 77 on CC but pulled back out immediately. Ok well done you pulled over without holding me up. 5 mins later he goes past me as I'm in l1. We are now 3 lanes. Minutes lately I undertake as his speed is inconsistent. Blaring off at 85 then dropping to 60. OK fine just carry on serenely in l1.

But approaching traffic few hundred yards or so ahead see Mr passat slowly gaining on me in l2. Should I pull out in advance unnecessarily due to him likely being alongside ish when I need to move to l2 and he's likely not to notice let me move to empty l3. No surely he will. Minute or 2 later I should probably look to move over to ot, he's approaching my rear in l2. L3 empty. I indicate. He carries on slowly blocking me in despite my lengthy indication and an empty l3. I have to slow down and come off cc and pull into l2 when he's eventually passed but he's slowed again so move to l3 at 75 and go past him and pull in across to lanes to l1 and back to 77 on cc. He then boots it to 85-90 and streaks past me again. fking moron. I could have put foot down and pulled out in front of him safely but had no desire to speed. Yes he has no obligation to pull to l3 to let me out but why not other than being a or compleltey unaware. If it were just 2 lanes at that point i would have got over earlier but with an empty l3 (i was the fastest on the road bar his random bursts to 85/90) surely the considerate aware drive would simply move over.

I despair what's happening to this country, not just people like this just genral driving standards of most. If anything this guys crappiness and inconsistency has an excuse as I doubt he learnt here. Most have no such excuse.

Needless to say I gained on him over the remaining stretch of road before I filtered off to the a12...

[the-norseman]

Blue One said:

It is worse in London where a politically motivated 20mph limit has been imposed. This is an artificially slow speed for cars, and, thankfully most drivers seem to have intelligence to show some discretion on how much they abide to it where there aren’t cameras and clear roads. But this type of nanny state legislation, coupled with the mental sedation and conditioning of people that took place during lockdown seems to have had a permanent effect on certain demographics. The elderly especially who are either too scared, or scornful to drive their cars at a reasonable speed, whether in a 20mph zone or elsewhere. Of course, the other problem we have making cars drive more slowly are the swarms of entitled Lycra-clad cyclists you get out at the weekends, especially down country roads….

Driving is certainly fast losing its appeal as a hobby or pleasant pastime in many areas

Agree, I rode in London for the first time yesterday, was a hell of an experience.

[croyde]

Using my motorcycle in London means in general I can avoid the fektardiness.

I dared to use my car early this morning and it really is as if everyone else has had a lobotomy.

[kylos27]

markymarkthree said:

Yet strangely these "Sunday drivers" have the ability to speed up when you go to overtake them.

It’s called turbo lag