Insurance Question - Reclaiming Costs?

Insurance Question - Reclaiming Costs?

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Ikemi

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8,456 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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A really quick insurance question ...

If you have a non-fault accident, which then needs to be listed on your insurance policy upon renewal, is it possible to recover the additional cost from the third party who was responsible? Come renewal time, the accident in question adds another £140 to my premium.

I can understand why, as potentially I'm seen as a higher risk. I've been involved in two other non-fault accidents before and swallowed the increases. However I've been told I shouldn't have to and that I can recover costs from the third party. Is this true and if so, how does one go about the process?

If it helps, my claim was handled by Europa Consultants, who have always been highly recommended on here smile

Cheers! thumbup

LukeR94

2,218 posts

143 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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No chance im afraid.

What about if it goes down? do you give them money then laugh


"you smashing into me has caused a drop in my insurance, heres a tenner"

dave7692

683 posts

131 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Probably not, however I fully understand your frustrations.

Somebody has not only cost you time and your car but now they're costing you money too.

zcacogp

11,239 posts

246 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Good Q Ikemi - one that I have often wondered as well. If the increased insurance cost in the future is a result of the crash it therefore seems reasonable that you can claim that back from the other party - literally being put back into the position you were in before the accident.

Another aspect I have pondered is the loss of value of your vehicle. The advice when buying a used car is to avoid ones that have been damaged and repaired, and cars which have been damaged are harder to sell (or worth less) as a result. If your car is damaged in an accident and, despite being repaired is worth less then surely a consideration to cover this loss in value should be part of the claim?


Oli.

kiethton

13,968 posts

182 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I've requested this previously....

The problem is that the insurers just say go to x company who don't load for the incident so would not be an additional cost - the fact they come in at £20k for the remainder of the risk profile is irrelevant.

ZOLLAR

19,909 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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kiethton said:
I've requested this previously....

The problem is that the insurers just say go to x company who don't load for the incident so would not be an additional cost - the fact they come in at £20k for the remainder of the risk profile is irrelevant.
This.


Ikemi

Original Poster:

8,456 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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zcacogp said:
Good Q Ikemi - one that I have often wondered as well. If the increased insurance cost in the future is a result of the crash it therefore seems reasonable that you can claim that back from the other party - literally being put back into the position you were in before the accident.

Another aspect I have pondered is the loss of value of your vehicle. The advice when buying a used car is to avoid ones that have been damaged and repaired, and cars which have been damaged are harder to sell (or worth less) as a result. If your car is damaged in an accident and, despite being repaired is worth less then surely a consideration to cover this loss in value should be part of the claim?


Oli.
The annoying thing is, it was the lightest of bumps! A woman reversed into the side of my front clam, which caused a crack to appear along the crest of the wheel arch. The repair specialist involved (Highly recommended on SELOC) advised for a new front clam, which increased the overall repair cost to £5700! I guess my car should be worth more with a new, clean front end!

I had thought as much. I'll suck up the costs. It was worth an ask though, seeing as someone told me I could do it! Thanks smile

Tc24

528 posts

141 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I'm an insurance broker, and although I don't deal with motor insurance or claims, I had exactly this discussion with somebody I know who does.

My argument was that the purpose of an insurance policy is to indemnify the claimant following an insured loss, i.e. they should be in the same position financially as they were before the loss.

Had the non fault accident not occurred, then the not-at-fault driver would not otherwise have to pay the increased premium as a result of the accident.

The chap I was talking to agreed with me on this point, but proving the loss is only possible if the accident occurs say 2 weeks before renewal where terms have already been invited, and upon disclosing the accident, the insurer then increases the renewal premium. Anything else (i.e. quoting 6 months in advance with/without the accident declared) is irrelevant, as there's no guarantee the insurer's ratings will be the same come renewal. Likewise, you couldn't project the difference in premium 5 years in to the future, as other factors could affect subsequent renewals and you could end up gaining financially.

So in theory, it would be possible to claim the difference in premium, IF you could back up your claim with solid evidence. In reality, this is almost impossible, so the insurer will either reject the claim or apparently in some extremely rare cases, offer a settlement out of goodwill.

As far as I know, this hasn't been tested in court, but I'm willing to be corrected on this!

strudel

5,888 posts

229 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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In logical english, could someone explain to me why if someone drives into the back of me at the traffic lights I would be deemed a higher risk when it comes to renewal - it just makes no sense to me!

Searider

979 posts

257 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Because you drive your car in dangerous locations!

kiethton

13,968 posts

182 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Join the club. As far as I can understand the complex algorithms used by actuaries to calculate risk and the resultant insurance premium have identified a correlation between being involved in a non-fault accident and then being involved in another where you are at fault.

Short of it is you get hit so you are more likely to hit somebody else...makes no sense to be but they are the stats!

hman

7,487 posts

196 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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meh,

I think we can disprove most of the insurance nonsense about having more crashes after a claim - not had a prang in the last 11 years - an the last prang was pretty massive!


So anyway whats the insurer going to do if you don't tell them about a non fault incident? please provide real cases of any effects please.

DKL

4,527 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Tc24 said:
The chap I was talking to agreed with me on this point, but proving the loss is only possible if the accident occurs say 2 weeks before renewal where terms have already been invited, and upon disclosing the accident, the insurer then increases the renewal premium. Anything else (i.e. quoting 6 months in advance with/without the accident declared) is irrelevant, as there's no guarantee the insurer's ratings will be the same come renewal. Likewise, you couldn't project the difference in premium 5 years in to the future, as other factors could affect subsequent renewals and you could end up gaining financially.
You could just not disclose the accident when you first ask for a quote, nail it down as much as possible as you would normally and then disclose the accident and use whatever difference in premiums there is as evidence. I imagine you could extrapolate this across the next 5 years on a sliding scale.