RE: David Brown: PH Meets

RE: David Brown: PH Meets

Tuesday 5th August 2014

David Brown: PH Meets

So who is this David Brown chap? He gets the beers in, PH listens...



David Brown is a businessman who, with his father of the same name, led the huge industrial plant firm DJB Engineering of Peterlee. The company was enormously successful thanks to its articulated dump truck, a genuine world first. It later bought Bedford Trucks from GM, patented the Multidrive all-wheel drive concept, and only sold out to its biggest customer, Caterpillar, in 1995. Be in no doubt, DJB Engineering was a giant. This is how Brown made his money.

Plant to supercars; worked for Ferruccio and 'other' DB
Plant to supercars; worked for Ferruccio and 'other' DB
But things weren't as simple as they sound for Brown, as he explains over a pint (or two) of his own beer (he's set up the BAD Company brewing and distilling firm, from which we can report the Comfortably Numb line is wonderful) in a North Yorkshire B&B. Aged 17, the last thing on his mind was industry; he wanted to be a rock star. "The family worked in the tree felling business and I had a very nice life in a band in Gloucestershire.

Then one day, my dad said we were all moving to a new council estate in Peterlee, County Durham, so he could set up a new engineering company. I refused; I chose to stay in Gloucestershire and live in a mate's digs, felling trees and playing in the band.

"I lasted a day and a half before I followed them up to Peterlee."

Selling a product nobody wanted
Living in a council house, trying to set up a new company amidst the industrial strife of the early 70s, tackling 25 per cent inflation, pogo-stick exchange rates and three-day working weeks, certainly wasn't easy. "We were selling a product nobody wanted. But we were both fully committed and weren't deterred - and today, it's the wheelbarrow of the industrial world."

From earthmovers to brewing; Brown's a busy man
From earthmovers to brewing; Brown's a busy man
That's David Brown, then. An entrepreneurial industrialist who made his fortune with tractors. Sound familiar? But unlike another David Brown, our man has chosen not to buy Aston Martin, but design a car that looks like one. Joining the chorus of PHers, we asked him, why?

The short story is thus: he was on a classic rally with a Ferrari Daytona-owning friend. The hot, stuffy classic kept breaking down, and the best part of the rally for them all was escaping to the Peugeot 106 hire car. "It was bloody miserable. It struck me that a far better solution would be a car designed to look like a classic, but with a modern vehicle's comfort, reliability and performance." He made enquiries, discovered designer Alan Mobberley and, in March 2013, began working with Envisage Group of Coventry on what's become the Speedback GT.

It's intentionally, unashamedly retro. "People will buy it because of what it looks like, the statement it makes," he says, stressing that exclusivity is a crucial part of the deal. "We will never make more than 100; the fact each car is a tailor-made original is a big part of the appeal. I can see someone with a super yacht buying it and keeping it on the back to look at - knowing they could quite easily drive it when in port, should they wish to." Intentionally an enthusiast's car for the non-enthusiast, then?

Don't get it? Brown reckons he knows people who do
Don't get it? Brown reckons he knows people who do
And if you're wondering how Brown knows all this, take note: since selling DJB Engineering, he's invested in numerous high-end luxury goods companies, from restaurants and women's shoe shops to home furnishing and specialist stonemakers. He knows what appeals to the sort of super-rich buyers who may not be natural PH-style car fanatics but do know the cars that appeal to them. Six orders thus far, before the firm even had a finished car, suggests he may be onto something.

Petrolhead Brown
But, PHers, don't worry. He's also a car guy. He of course owns a 'real' DB5. He's also a former rally champion in a Group N Subaru Impreza. He currently owns a Ford Puma 4x4 Evo - that's a Puma wearing Escort RS Cosworth running gear - and assures us that if a customer wanted a Speedback GT with, say, XKR-S running gear and 550hp engine, the firm would make it. "I think the more easy-going setup we have suits the car best, but we wouldn't say no if somebody wanted something else.

"A senior engine designer told me this motor is good for 700hp..."

Brown (r) and designer Mobberley with the GT
Brown (r) and designer Mobberley with the GT
David Brown is affable, entertaining, engaging. He's a charismatic entrepreneur rather than a straight-laced car boss, a sort of Peter Wheeler for luxury cars. This is not a vanity thing, he assures us. "It was Alan's idea to call the company after me; yes, I do make all the big decisions, but that's because there's only six of us - and that's how we've been able to do it so quickly. Direct decision making, rather than bloody messing about with board meetings and approval panels. That's what really hobbles the car industry.

"We're not trying to be a mainstream company and, with this car, are focusing on the elite who want a classic-looking car but don't want the headaches to go with it. I feel sure there are 100 people in the world [most will be sold in LHD guise] who agree."

And then what? While he's not speaking about future cars yet (although he confirms "we won't build a roadster version of this"), Brown is sure there will be more; before then, expect a branded line of luxury goods to back up the Speedback GT - and if Maserati can pedal perfume and brollies, who's to say he can't make the mooted range of posh leather wallets and luggage work? There may even be David Brown Automotive posh office chairs: "Anything is possible."

Say what you like, Brown believes in his car
Say what you like, Brown believes in his car
There's the rub. Brown has, with the Speedback GT, created something unique: a modern coachbuilt car based on a talented OEM platform. No rough spaceframe chassis with big Chevy V8s here, but a showroom-ready car with totally unique looks. While not everyone may like the Speedback GT, he's planning for it not to be his last car - and as he's more of a petrolhead than many specialist car bosses, there could be more to this car company than we first think. Cheers to that?

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JamesMK

Original Poster:

556 posts

252 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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So once he's sold 100 Astons to establish the brand, he can then go on to build a second model with a new design of his own?

JamesMK

Original Poster:

556 posts

252 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Like a rock band releasing a cover version of some else's song before writing their own material.

myhandle

1,197 posts

175 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Great interview, and hopefully it will work out for them. I can't like the styling though. As posted by someone else in the other Speedback GT article, it looks too much like a DB5 to be original, and too different to be a replica. Hopefully others will disagree and it will become a success.

The original Morgan Aero 8 was vastly improved at the first facelift, and improved again when it turned into the new Plus 8. Perhaps this is a V1.0 iteration, and will evolve pleasantly.

GranCab

2,902 posts

147 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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From reading this article I like the guy - I also like his car.

dugsud

1,125 posts

264 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Another John Bloor story? Could be....

Radish

167 posts

129 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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It's just a shame that its looks puts me in mind of the joke about the wide mouth frog.

GR1FF1F

523 posts

235 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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I absolutely love this car, but is it just me, or does that last head on shot look like a Mini ? WOuld be a bit of a surprise to see that in your rear view mirror, and then have it sweep majestically past.

Qwert1e

545 posts

119 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Looks to me exactly like one of those big Minis aproaching.

smilo996

2,820 posts

171 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Unfortunately Aston Martin will be doing this soon......

modern coachbuilt cars based on a talented OEM platform

Don't like the car but admire the bloke and the idea.

Prawnboy

1,326 posts

148 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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I know it's aimed at the money no object car buyers but.........a MINIMUM difference of £550,000.00? really? i just don't see where the money has been spent. it's still got the ropey looking cup holders FFS!

i will conceed the boot seat is a cool feature. i wonder if you coud fit one in an XK.





Jordan210

4,542 posts

184 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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So its a Jag in drag for £500k !

Hats of for having a go. But if I was going to by a 500k Aston looking car I would get a Aston Martin V12 Zagato

GlynMo

1,140 posts

250 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Love the signpost!


dirty_dog

676 posts

177 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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GlynMo said:
Love the signpost!
haha well spotted

chris333

1,034 posts

240 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Great read, if only to hear the story of the dump truck.

The average PHer is probably not his target market,but I'm sure there are people around who see the appeal of a classically styled car, but would not be interested in the inevitable compromises when it comes to owning and driving it.

The shape is growing on me, but I think the interior is a bit too obviously XK and the wire wheels are yuck!

zeppelin101

724 posts

193 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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"A senior engine designer told me this motor is good for 700hp..."

I would love to know who has said that. It's hopelessly wrong.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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zeppelin101 said:
"A senior engine designer told me this motor is good for 700hp..."

I would love to know who has said that. It's hopelessly wrong.
Indeed. 105bar limit on the block! Far short of 700bhp! (well a repeatable, engine doesn't go bang after 1 run kinda 700bhp...)

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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chris333 said:
The average PHer is probably not his target market,but I'm sure there are people around who see the appeal of a classically styled car, but would not be interested in the inevitable compromises when it comes to owning and driving it.
Not sure why there is the underlying 'all old cars are unreliable and drive badly' theme being used to justify this car.

Consider the job that Eagle do with the E-Type...and there are companies who will do that for your DB4/5/6 as well (I know of one just down the road from me - http://www.aston.co.uk). Imagine ploughing even £400k into a real classic Aston in order to 'Eagle' it...I cannot imagine your reliability or 'headaches' would still prevail in such a car...with a real Aston badge on it.

I have nothing but respect for anyone who goes at their own business like this - however it's important to not get lost in the justification of this car to us unwashed masses. It strikes me that people with considerable wealth will spend infinite money, just to be different (look at some of the god-awful mods being made to Veyrons in the middle east) and that's where this guy is going to sell his 100 cars.

For me, Ariel is a celebration in creating a car that many, many people could afford and achieve - this is an exercise in building a car for the few in order to fund the next project. And that is reason enough to do it. smile

P~

dc2rr07

1,238 posts

232 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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I hope he does well, unfortunately for me apart from not having the money to buy one in the first place it just looks wrong.

JMo22

99 posts

180 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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David Brown said:
"I can see someone with a super yacht buying it and keeping it on the back to look at"

P~
I hope they've equipped their yacht with plenty of sick bags!

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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JMo22 said:
David Brown said:
"I can see someone with a super yacht buying it and keeping it on the back to look at"

P~
I hope they've equipped their yacht with plenty of sick bags!
And if that's all their going to do, then wouldn't you drop half-a-mil on something that actually looks stunning, regardless of reliability/drivability?