Banging wheels

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dieseluser07

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2,452 posts

118 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I hate this, and yes i know i can control it by being gentle on the throttle but sometimes i dont expect it.

Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.

If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.

Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.

Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.

Exige77

6,519 posts

193 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I prefer banging tunes myself !!

grumpy52

5,643 posts

168 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Fit decent tyres, make sure the suspension and bushes are in good condition, modify your driving style .
Damage wise , at best you are wearing tyres out unnecessarily, at worst it will break u/js , driveshafts , suspension components etc , in extremes it will break the diff or gearbox .
If you have traction control make sure it's switched on .
Spinning the wheels and especially tramping the tyres is not the fastest way to launch a car from a standstill all it does is move the speedo , the best that I have seen is 83mph in a car that wasn't actually moving forwards..

Doofus

26,463 posts

175 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I have a Golf GTi, and it does this, amd yes, it sounds horrible.. The way to limit it is to moderate the throttle.

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Sounds like wheel hop/axle tramp. Could be the springs are too stiff or you’ve got a tired shock absorber, or both. On some cars fitting stiffer engine mounts can make a difference, worn bushes won’t help so check for those.

Whistle

1,441 posts

135 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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My Focus ST did this quite a lot. Also if you snatched 2nd at 6000 rpm it sounded like the engine mounts had broken.

dieseluser07

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2,452 posts

118 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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charltjr said:
Sounds like wheel hop/axle tramp. Could be the springs are too stiff or you’ve got a tired shock absorber, or both. On some cars fitting stiffer engine mounts can make a difference, worn bushes won’t help so check for those.
Just had an mot last week, would the shock absorber/bushes have shown up on it?

Springs are aftermarket and made by eibach, very good springs, quite progressive and not much stiffer than factory.

Yeh i think it is wheel hop.

I did have traction control in 'sport mode' at the time as i thought that would let the wheels spin more and reduce wheel hop.

dieseluser07

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2,452 posts

118 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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ive also fitted a upgraded rear engine mount which was supposed to have helped but that hasent really made any difference either if im honest.

Drive Blind

5,120 posts

179 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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what tyres have you got ?

don't stomp on the throttle when it's wet ?

loskie

5,386 posts

122 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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sounds like you need to go back to basics and learn throttle control.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

163 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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You don't have to use all 240hp all the time.

TonyRPH

13,028 posts

170 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Good old BTCS, I see it a lot actually.

Binary Throttle Control Syndrome

dieseluser07

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118 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Drive Blind said:
what tyres have you got ?

don't stomp on the throttle when it's wet ?
New goodyears, yeh you could say that but sometimes its fine and other times it bangs.

Drive Blind

5,120 posts

179 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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dieseluser07 said:
Drive Blind said:
what tyres have you got ?

don't stomp on the throttle when it's wet ?
New goodyears, yeh you could say that but sometimes its fine and other times it bangs.
It's down to the road surface and conditions then.




Lemming Train

5,567 posts

74 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Whistle said:
My Focus ST did this quite a lot. Also if you snatched 2nd at 6000 rpm it sounded like the engine mounts had broken.
Mine does the same. Anything more than a gentle push on the gas pedal and it does it if the road is wet/damp. Brand new PS4s all round too, made no difference. Nothing wrong with suspension or geometry so I think it's just because these cars are quite light at the front end. irked

AC43

11,591 posts

210 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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charltjr said:
Sounds like wheel hop/axle tramp. Could be the springs are too stiff or you’ve got a tired shock absorber, or both.
This.

In any car where I've ever had this (FWD or RWD) it's inevitably caused by having damping rates overpowered by spring rates.



Doofus

26,463 posts

175 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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AC43 said:
charltjr said:
Sounds like wheel hop/axle tramp. Could be the springs are too stiff or you’ve got a tired shock absorber, or both.
This.

In any car where I've ever had this (FWD or RWD) it's inevitably caused by having damping rates overpowered by spring rates.
My MkVII GTi (as well as all the other DSG-equipped examples) did it out of the box.

AC43

11,591 posts

210 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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Doofus said:
AC43 said:
charltjr said:
Sounds like wheel hop/axle tramp. Could be the springs are too stiff or you’ve got a tired shock absorber, or both.
This.

In any car where I've ever had this (FWD or RWD) it's inevitably caused by having damping rates overpowered by spring rates.
My MkVII GTi (as well as all the other DSG-equipped examples) did it out of the box.
Well maybe they are over-sprung. Springs are cheap, dampers aren't.



Doofus

26,463 posts

175 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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AC43 said:
Well maybe they are over-sprung. Springs are cheap, dampers aren't.
Yeah, that's what it is.

dhutch

14,407 posts

199 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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OP, what's the car? Age? Mileage? Lowered? Dampers?

As said, it's what was called axle tramp imo. MOT should show worn bushes but might not, even less good at showing worn dampers.


Daniel