RE: Audi S6 Avant (C4) | The Brave Pill
RE: Audi S6 Avant (C4) | The Brave Pill
Saturday 8th February 2020

Audi S6 Avant (C4) | The Brave Pill

Big, boxy, fast - and 96 per cent of the way to the moon



As the list of Pills continue to grow so it becomes harder to discover true terra incognita, to venture to those little-explored parts of the map that haven't featured before. We have had several fast Audis before, but this appealing - and possibly peeling - first-gen S6 manages to break new ground in at least two areas.

First of all - drumroll please - it is the first five-cylinder Pill; at least the first that is designed to run on five cylinders. Some of our earlier offerings might have been a bit short on compression. More impressively, against some very tough competition it is also the one with the weightiest odometer reading. With 217,000 miles showing it hasn't quite managed to get to the moon yet - NASA reckons a minimum of 225,623 miles is required to claim that feat. But the score is enough to pip the 215,000 mile W210 Merc E55 AMG that kicked off 2020, and makes the 200,000 mile E39 M5 that featured last October look like a barely used garage queen.

So well used and, on the evidence of this advert, well looked after too. The current vendor has owned it for nine of its 26 years and is asking £5,500 for it, which is about half what you would be asked to find for a cosmetically tidier sub-100k miler if you were able to track one down.


Anyone coming to a car like this from a modern S-branded Audi would find much familiar, the company starting as it meant to go on with the sub-brand. The original S2, launched in 1990 as a hotted-up version of the 80-based Coupe, featured a retuned version of the 2.2-litre 20-valve five-cylinder turbo engine from the Quattro and all-wheel drive. This spawned both saloon and Avant variants, with Audi quickly finding sufficient demand for an uber-fast wagon to repeat the process. The bloodline then split, with the considerably quicker Porsche-fettled RS2 for those determined to give children and dogs the greatest accelerative thrills, while the larger S4 - based on the bigger Audi 100 - launched in 1991 to be more spacious and sensible.

But this isn't an S4, you're thinking, while wondering about the health of PH's resident fact-checker, Enzo the hamster. That's because Audi introduced its spiffy new model naming policy in 1994 when the C4-generation 100 was facelifted, and turned into the A6. As an S4 version of an A6 would have been plain silly, the range-topper got a numerical promotion to become the S6, although the rest of the package remained pretty much identical.

Strangely both S4 and S6 had the option of a second, completely different engine in some territories, a 4.2-litre V8 making 286hp which was offered in place of the 227hp five-pot. Beyond a more macho soundtrack the purpose of the brawnier engine was limited by the ease with which the smaller turbo engine could be tuned. Our Pill is sporting just such an upgrade, one the vendor reckons means it is now putting out around 280hp.


The S6 Avant was a car without competitors when it was new, with the playbook for S-badged Audis already well established. Performance was ample, grip was huge, traction was dependable and handling was predictable but understeery on tighter stuff. It wasn't a pulse-quickener, but it wasn't meant to be - high speed cruising is what any S6 does best, and the five-cylinder's turbocharged torque will be sufficient to mean it still feels fast by 2020 standards. Indeed, for a measure of how far ahead of its time it was, consider how close the lightly tweaked power output and 1,700kg weight put it to the Golf R wagon today.

To modern eyes the cabin of any Audi from this period seems as austere and short on toys as Christmas at Scrooge's house, with this S6 being no exception. It has digital climate control, which was still a novelty in the mid-1990s and which I suspect was an extra-cost option. It also seems to be boasting the switches for seat heaters, also pretty posh in the era before Tony Blair came to power. But beyond an aftermarket stereo, that's it on the equipment front. Cabin decoration includes lashings of the orangish wooden trim that Audi used to love to combine with grey leather, and also a row of supplementary dials that a previous owner has added an aftermarket oil pressure gauge to.

The cabin is showing a fair amount of wear, as you'd expect from two journeys around the clock, with worn carpets and what looks like scuffed trim. Our vendor also reports that the front end received a partial respray a few years ago, but that the bottoms of the front wings have started to rust again. The MOT history doesn't report any structural corrosion, but does tell a tale of worn suspension components, a slowly disintegrating exhaust and a recurring engine oil leak that seems to have finally been cleared up last year.


For those who may reckon this S6 doesn't look adventurous enough, try finding somebody who has attempted to keep a rare, elderly Audi in fine fettle and count their grey hairs. While Mercedes offers excellent parts support for older cars, and BMW's is reasonable, Audi seemed to regard products from this era as being almost disposable items with blank-faced service advisors reporting "computer says no" to parts requests within a few years of models going off sale. That means tracking down obscure components can be a serious pain, and involve far-flung scrapyards. As a plus, a car like this car really help with language skills - like asking for a rear subframe assembly in Polish.

But as our Pill has got so far, it seems well set to go a fair bit further. As well as detailing known issues the advert text reveals a reassuringly heavy level of routine care and attention, even as mileage accumulation has tailed off in recent years. Anyone seriously considering it would probably want some more details on what was included with the engine refurbishment at 184,000 miles - a benchmark the S6 went through around 11 years ago. But new front pads and a timing belt that's only 4,000 miles old are reassuring details.

Perhaps the biggest issue with this late middle-aged S6 is the same one that has faced the car since new: very few will recognise it as being anything more than a big, boring Audi. Blokes at the pub will be asking the next owner if they run it on used cooking oil. There's plenty of courage in choosing a car like this, but it's not the kind that will ever win bravery awards, or likely even much respect from friends and family.


See the original advert here

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Discussion

Arsecati

Original Poster:

2,748 posts

143 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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I think this is lovely, a proper Q Car that will definitely spark up decent conversation with 'those who know'. I used to own a bog standard 2.0 petrol version (saloon) 20 years ago, when I was still only in my 20's myself. Absolutely loved it, it had such an understated class (it was all black), and even to this day I remember the reassuring 'clunk' of the door closing. Being so much rarer than equivalent Mercs or Beemers - and Audi having yet to gain it's unfortunate reputation for being driven by plonkers - I never received anything but positive comments about it, and was more than able to hold its own in the pub carpark...... something clearly very important to the fragile ego of a 20 something all the way back then!! wink

DailyHack

4,279 posts

137 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Classy looking car, really is from an era when Audi's were so understated, not like we got today all abit chinsy/busy looking.

Quite a timeless look especially in Avant form, interior looks to of aged pretty well in my eyes.

loskie

6,921 posts

146 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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"To modern eyes the cabin of any Audi from this period seems as austere and short on toys"

This is a good thing, modern cars are too fussy and have too much needless tech that takes the driver's mind off err,,,,, driving

The lifespan of cars may also be seriously reduced as they have become too complex to repair as they are older and have less value

apm142001

290 posts

115 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Interesting and unusual for sure, but £5500 seems rather strong...especially given that it’s rusty as well?

ElsieDriver

32 posts

161 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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I have one of these in 2.8 v6 wagon form - ‘Thirsty Bert’. He is built like a tank, comfy as you like, and tops most things in heavy rain or snow thanks to narrow tyres, four wheel drive, and the gay abandon with which one can chuck around a car that is cheap to replace! Car people are every bit as interested in chatting about him as they are the other interesting cars in my fleet (a c63 and an elise). This is a great Brave Pill with the legendary 5 cyl. Love it!

Nubiann

19 posts

85 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Well that is nice, the interior would shame many a contemporary car, the designs stand the test of time. I think its great and getting rarer than Beemers and Mercs if the era and that makes it interesting

Mike 83

50 posts

86 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Haha thirsty Bert mines felicity the fiat and she's quite fragile and there's Gerald the jag he don't like waking up to early in the morning.

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

146 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Arsecati said:
a proper Q Car ...
It's not quick enough.

Water Fairy

6,506 posts

181 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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I like this but at 5.5k you can chuff off. I do love the thought however, that there are plenty of us still ploughing on in older cars and I agree entirely with the 'less is more' philosophy.

My E46 will be 16 next month and soon after will pass the 170k mark. Only a lowly diesel but that's what I need for the commute atm. I love it.

Stick Legs

8,678 posts

191 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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A nice one of these, especially with the rare Jaquard upholstery, illustrates everything that is wrong with modern cars.

Augustus Windsock

3,753 posts

181 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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popeyewhite said:
Arsecati said:
a proper Q Car ...
It's not quick enough.
What, really? On today’s congested roads?
You would be lucky to use 90% of the performance even 10% of the time.


ate one too

2,914 posts

172 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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£4000 overpriced .. looks more like a SOTW to me.

Dimski

2,100 posts

225 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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A saloon S6 was my first quick car, bought with zero knowledge about them.

Found out how rare they were, used it as my daily driver for a couple of years and took it from 120k to 170k before a water leak fried the ECU.

Kept the running gear and found a 191k mike estate that I ran for a year, before taking it off the road. 9 years later it was too far gone to save, so I sold to AM cars who had actually serviced and maintained it for an early owner. I regret not being able to restore but at least the engines would have gone to good use, most likely into old Quattro historic rally cars I was told. I believe last time I checked there’s only a handful of manual cars left.

Loved them and was quite tempted by the immaculate plus spec S6 saloon AM had in their showroom.

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

146 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Augustus Windsock said:
What, really?
It's about 170 bhp/ton!
Augustus Windsock said:
On today’s congested roads?
Roads are fine around here (Chesh/Derbys)
Augustus Windsock said:
You would be lucky to use 90% of the performance even 10% of the time.
Performance? hehe

Gez79

240 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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I think anything with a sub 7 0-60 and that looks like an old estate definitely qualifies as a Q car.

Plus this has had a remap to 280bhp so should be low sixes at worst.

Always liked their understated looks when I was a teenager in the 90s.

£5k does seem a little steep though.

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

146 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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Gez79 said:
I think anything with a sub 7 0-60 and that looks like an old estate definitely qualifies as a Q car.

Nah, a Q car should be surprisingly quick, that's why they're called 'sleepers' - geddit?

Gez79 said:
Plus this has had a remap to 280bhp so should be low sixes at worst.
You reckon 165 bhp/ton will shift that to 60 in the low sixes?? Sorry, but hehe



Veeayt

3,139 posts

231 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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popeyewhite said:
You reckon 165 bhp/ton will shift that to 60 in the low sixes?? Sorry, but hehe
With MTM chip (264hp and more importantly 295 torques) it's even quicker than my 290 bhp V8 version, which has 5.9 to 60 stock.

Dimski

2,100 posts

225 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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popeyewhite said:
Gez79 said:
I think anything with a sub 7 0-60 and that looks like an old estate definitely qualifies as a Q car.

Nah, a Q car should be surprisingly quick, that's why they're called 'sleepers' - geddit?

Gez79 said:
Plus this has had a remap to 280bhp so should be low sixes at worst.
You reckon 165 bhp/ton will shift that to 60 in the low sixes?? Sorry, but hehe
The manual saloon was 6.5 0-60, the estate a few tenths slower.

In an Autocar comparison test with the E34 M5 and Jaguar XJR the Audi was a little slower (but a massive chunk cheaper than both, and bigger too) but its in gear times were decent.

Time has moved the game on, I remember being given a very hard time by a pal with an EP3 Civic type R, but even today it would still be a swift, if not fast, car.

Edited by Dimski on Saturday 8th February 21:24

anonymous-user

80 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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When I was a kid Dad had a late model 100, though it was a dirty and dog slow 2.4 diesel (don't think they sold them with that engine over here). Before that, he had the 2.2 previous 100, which I remember sounding lovely.

The earlier car was built like the proverbial and the interior was 'just right'. The later one similar in form, but you could see where costs had been cut. Still far nicer than their new glamobiles.

My favourite Audi interior is still the early 90s 80. I'm a wierd fish!

TurboBlue

684 posts

189 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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I ran an Audi 100 S4 Avant as the last in a line of five cylinder cars (following on from a Passat GL5 and a super rare Audi 200 quattro avant). They are great at high speed long distance work but they had a typical Audi suspension set up that gave it a stiff ride, understeer prone handling and inert steering. They are not sports estates (if such a thing exists). Was always indenting to replace it with an RS2 but other commitments and the explosion in RS2 prices made that impossible. The article suggests parts are difficult to obtain, I don't remember that (this is some time ago) but I still remember the cost of new parts; back in the 90's a steering rack was over £1,000 before fitting and VAT. Anyway, here's my old ride: