RE: Still don't fancy an electric R5? How about this
RE: Still don't fancy an electric R5? How about this
Saturday 18th July

Still don't fancy an electric R5? How about this

Griff Rhys Jones would be proud...


Among the car industry’s hot topics, there may be none so scorchingly warm as how exactly it goes about the job of coaxing people willingly into EVs. Cost has proven an effective driver, particularly with regard to the favourable tax situation enjoyed by business users. But even for the casual enthusiast, a no-brainer financial incentive is nowhere near as compelling as cars that pull on the heartstrings. Hence the frantic pursuit of an alternative approach, whether it be in the shape of something very progressively new (i.e. the Ferrari Luce or Jaguar Type01), or something that appears craftily old-fashioned (i.e. the Renault 5 E-Tech). 

Given the broader appetite in society for harking back to simpler times (Little House on the Prairie reboot, anyone?), it is perhaps unsurprising that the Renault approach is currently winning hands down. Not only is its electric supermini earning fans all over the place, it has done an ostensibly fine job of gatecrashing the high-end market, too. The 555hp Renault 5 Turbo 3E might not have sold out, but many if not most observers are inclined to think that its unapologetic recycling of past design cues absolutely look the part. And our recent experience from the passenger’s seat suggests the car isn’t writing cheques its chassis can’t cash. 

Nevertheless, the 3E requires your enthusiasm to have reached the kind of fever pitch that a £140k asking price demands. To get to that point, we’d argue you either need to be a) convinced that in-wheel e-motors are prospectively your cup of tea, or b) so enamoured with the R5 look and feel, and the era it harks back to, that you simply can’t resist. Because there are still ways of sating the latter without resorting to battery power. You could, for example, strap the rose-tinted welding goggles on and spend much less money on this very lovely-looking Renault 5 GT Turbo. 

The Phase 1 sits neatly in Renault's fast-hatch timeline. It followed the naturally aspirated Renault 5 Alpine and Gordini models (and the exotically mid-engined, homologated 5 Turbo that inspired the 3E), then gave way first to the water-cooled, colour-coded Phase 2 and, once the Supercinq was done, to the Clio 16V and Williams carrying the torch. If you remember Griff Rhys Jones hustling one in the 1986 TV ad, you'll remember how Renault sold it as well: this was the naughty one. The Renault 5 for people already sold on the idea of a hot hatch. 

This example is a late car, first registered in June 1987. The first owner was sufficiently pleased with their purchase to keep it for 20 years, and evidently resisted the urge to jump on the Max Power bandwagon. On paper, 0-62mph in 7.5 seconds and around 125mph no longer sound dramatic, but against a 205 GTI or Mk2 Golf GTI, they looked serious enough. More to the point, of course, Renault did things its own way, the 1.4-litre turbo chiming splendidly with the kerbweight of a tin can, even if the resulting lag had the tendency to provide chancy overtakes with a second act. 

Admittedly this is no box-fresh time capsule: it has been through five other owners since the first, and what seems like several rounds of restoration since an early insurance payout. But largely unmolested, honest-seeming Phase 1s are like hen’s teeth. Which makes the £19,995 asking price seem less absurd than it otherwise might. It’ll obviously require the due diligence that the 3E wouldn’t - and much more ongoing TLC - but if your memory bank still stores one somewhere between a 205 and a police caution, it ought to deliver the kind of raw-edged, atavistic thrill that no 21st-century EV ever could - no matter what it looks like. 


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rossub

Original Poster:

5,783 posts

217 months

Love the idea, but they were difficult enough to look after in period, never mind 40 years later.

Limited annual mileage would help I suppose.

nismo48

6,749 posts

234 months

Test drove a brand new one of these back in 1986...it was very fast and handled superbly...But felt fragile and delicate.
Ironically I bought a brand new XR2 !!

MDMA .

10,521 posts

128 months

Clocked in 2008?

119

18,972 posts

63 months

" If you remember Griff Rhys Jones hustling one in the 1986 TV ad..."

Pretty sure he only did the voice over.

He did own one though i believe!

brownspeed

1,102 posts

158 months

Owned 2 of these back in the day. Utterly fabulous cars, probably not much can be more fun or rewarding to drive on a twisty B road. Yes a bit clangy when the door shuts but I preferred them to the 205 Gti I went on to own after

languagetimothy

1,739 posts

189 months

119 said:
" If you remember Griff Rhys Jones hustling one in the 1986 TV ad..."

Pretty sure he only did the voice over.

He did own one though i believe!
correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be-U86y1LMo

Firebobby

983 posts

66 months

I had one in 88, great little cars. Hot starting was an absolute nightmare. ( even more than my 1600 mg meastro). At the time though as i was only 30 it didn't put me off. I wouldnt want another one though.

119

18,972 posts

63 months

From what I remember, the carb was sat close to the turbo and when it was switched off the heat from the turbo boiled and evaporated the fuel in the carb.

Or something like that!

Saleen836

12,421 posts

236 months

119 said:
From what I remember, the carb was sat close to the turbo and when it was switched off the heat from the turbo boiled and evaporated the fuel in the carb.

Or something like that!
Correct, an old mate had one and was always a pain to restart after a good run

s2000db

1,402 posts

180 months

I remember on mine if you drove it over 90mph the top of the drivers door was so flimsy, that you could see daylight through the seals, due to the air pressure!

sinbaddio

2,815 posts

203 months

Incredibly fun cars from a time when they were attainable.

A good pal had one as a company car (Gen 2) and it was rapid! Quicker than my 8v Golf MK2 and even my brothers 16v.

Terminator X

20,147 posts

231 months

£20k! I must have been asleep the last 10 years.

TX.

howardhughes

1,379 posts

231 months

Oh, my. Yes please. You can keep your Imitation Turbo 2...

Augustus Windsock

3,767 posts

182 months

nismo48 said:
Test drove a brand new one of these back in 1986...it was very fast and handled superbly...But felt fragile and delicate.
Ironically I bought a brand new XR2 !!
Exactly what I did!
Looked at the 105bhp 205 GTi 1.6 and a Renault 5 Turbo but when bits of trim came off the display models of both in the showroom it put me off
The XR2 was slower but seemed (at the time) better screwed together, and I replaced it with a new TurboTechnics fettled one which made it more competitive.
I never did get to scratch the 205 or 5 Turbo itch, something which I regret in hindsight but I would want a really mint one of either if I were to be drawn into ownership these days.

Augustus Windsock

3,767 posts

182 months

Saleen836 said:
119 said:
From what I remember, the carb was sat close to the turbo and when it was switched off the heat from the turbo boiled and evaporated the fuel in the carb.

Or something like that!
Correct, an old mate had one and was always a pain to restart after a good run
Didn’t the solution come as a little fan kit that was bolted on and pointed at the carb (or something like that?)

honevo

249 posts

132 months

Saleen836 said:
119 said:
From what I remember, the carb was sat close to the turbo and when it was switched off the heat from the turbo boiled and evaporated the fuel in the carb.

Or something like that!
Correct, an old mate had one and was always a pain to restart after a good run
If you allowed the engine to idle for a while before turning it off after a long run, there wasn’t an issue cc

Clivey

5,657 posts

231 months

Yesterday (01:04)
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This appeals far more than the new one...and was built before I was born so I'm not just saying that due to nostalgia. I can only see classics, "youngtimers" etc. becoming more desirable and popular as people realise what they're missing with new transportation appliances.

The only real downside is the crash protection if hit by something new. My Defender would vaporise it!

Bright Halo

3,924 posts

262 months

Yesterday (01:29)
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Back in the day I owned its enemy, a Fiat Uno Turbo. What great times they were for hot hatches.

smilo996

3,724 posts

197 months

Yesterday (08:28)
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A great example to show that most old cars really are pants compared to more modern ones and nostalgia can only fill so much of the gap. An Electric R5 thanks.

Wab1974uk

1,343 posts

54 months

Yesterday (08:50)
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I only remember Griff Rhys Jones stood in his underpants trying to sell rubbish Vauxhalls.