Freedom of information Request denial (Islington council)

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

Note to self - next time the OP seems too bizarre to be real, must remember to quote it for when it gets removed.

Edited by S. Gonzales Esq. on Wednesday 21st July 13:46

[hyperblue]

You should put your coins in dead on the minute, and leave at 59 seconds past the minute, that'll learn em!

Edited by hyperblue on Wednesday 21st July 00:28

[Papa Hotel]

Jesus wept.

I hope the OP isn't a weird joke account, his posts are brilliant.

[IforB]

That is proper genius bonkersnosity. Congratulations Sir, I doff my tin foil hat to you.

[Papa Hotel]

Kindersley said:

Papa

I am for real. I hate the way councils seem to be allowed to get away with things yet fine someone £60 for been 10 seconds late etc
Unless you live in London it might not bother you

Seriously then dude, you need to get a hobby. Start off small, stamp collecting is easy. Then maybe model building, aircraft or cars. A trainset, does that sound interesting?

[IforB]

Whilst I would normally applaud anyone who was trying to sort out those robbing gits, I do think you are wasting your time enormously and that it's simply a fight that is not worth having.

Good luck though, even if I think you're nuts!

[Papa Hotel]

Kindersley said:

Papa Hotel said:

Kindersley said:

Papa

I am for real. I hate the way councils seem to be allowed to get away with things yet fine someone £60 for been 10 seconds late etc
Unless you live in London it might not bother you

Seriously then dude, you need to get a hobby. Start off small, stamp collecting is easy. Then maybe model building, aircraft or cars. A trainset, does that sound interesting?

I have a hobby. Its called "Hunt the wardens" Your keyboard would not be so smug if you got stung for £60 within 20 seconds of buying a ticket

Sorry, I shouldn't have told you to get a hobby. I meant get a life.

[RWD cossie wil]

fair play for having a go mate, it is double standards all the way from the council...

I would contact a specialist soliciter, as the freedom of information act is quite strong, and the data controller is personally responsible & liable under the act, so it might be worth persuing. The other thing to consider is have you sent a cheque for £10, as they can charge a "reasonable" fee for sending the requested information.

Have a look at part IV section 54...

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_2000003...

Good luck, it is people standing up and taking action that prevents the total removal of all our rights, ignore the sheep who just bleat " just accept it"

[Papa Hotel]

Have you read his post? He's whining at getting charged per minute instead of per second. Where will that end? My watch goes to 1/100th of a second, maybe I'll take up the case for charging to that timescale. What a load of bks.

[RWD cossie wil]

Papa Hotel said:

Have you read his post? He's whining at getting charged per minute instead of per second. Where will that end? My watch goes to 1/100th of a second, maybe I'll take up the case for charging to that timescale. What a load of bks.

Yes, have YOU read his post? The point he is making is that the council are issuing tickets the second that your ticket runs out, it if your ticket runs out at 11:15am, then at 11:14:59 am, the warden is there issuing a ticket.... However, if you bought your ticket for one minute at 11:14:58 am, then TECHNICALLY you have until 11:15:58 am to move your car, but as you bought your ticket from the machine at 11:14 am, you get a ticket at 11.15am. You have infact ONLY been parked for 2 seconds, but charged for a whole minute.

Now I know that it sounds silly getting into debates about how many seconds you are parked for, but if the council are playing hardball zero tolerance on time for parking tickets, then you SHOULD get exactly what your pay for, ie one hours parking etc, not 59 mins and 2 secs......

Petty as is may seem, I can see EXACTLY what the OP is drving at....

[Mr GrimNasty]

Well all I can suggest is that you hand yourself in at the local Police Station for consideration of all the seconds you stole between parking and actually buying a ticket.

[streaky]

The FOIA 2000 requires that the public authority provides an initial response to a request within 20 working days. In practical terms, this does not have to be the information requested, but it is reasonable to expect that it should indicate whether the authority holds the information requested.

If a fee is required, the time limit is extended to three months.

A fee can be charged it the cost of supplying the information exceeds £450 (£600 for central government) - the 'Appropriate Limit', calculated at £25/hour. A Fee Notice must be issued to the requestor. It is suggested that, instead of a charge, the authority should discuss with the requestor the potential to limit their request so as to bring the cost within the Appropriate Limit.

A previous poster who referred to a payment of £10 is confusing the FOIA with the Data Protection Act 1998 ... and that is a maximum if a charge is made.

If Islington Council has not responded at all to a FOI request, the first port of call is the Information Commissioner's Office - which polices compliance with the FOIA. Owing to the volume, the ICO is currently taking several months to process complaints.

Even if Islington has categorised the OP's requests as 'vexatious' or 'repeated' (this latter should only apply if a response has been recently made, either supplying or declining), the OP must, by law, have received a response.

There are permitted reasons for an authority to refuse to supply, but these must be set out in its response.

Can the OP confirm that they have received no response whatsoever from Islington Council?

Streaky

[Zed Ed]

I'd go for;

- information commissioner
- local government ombudsman
- your councillor
- make it about race, religion, discrimination
- target how they make decisions, rather than the outcome

Target and embarrass senior folk; e.g. if you complain to the LGO above, then that will have to be dealt with at a senior level.

they may be taking the pee or the person at the council may just be very thick

don't expect integrity or honesty from your council

I've been there..... and kicked council ass!!!!!!

[Marcellus]

Whoa there OP... I might be missing the point here, but go with me;

10:38:45 (HH:MM:SS) I buy a ticket for a minute so the expiry time printed on the ticket will be 10:39 (HH:MM)because they don't do seconds.

10:40 Traffic warden issues ticket.

IIRC the ticket has printed on it "expires end of" or some such words.

So if fact your argument is floored as in this instance I can park for 00:01:15 (HH:MM:SS) therefore you've had 15seconds of parking more than you paid for.

So surely given the state of UK PLC we should be asking how much have we the public conned the local government out of their due?

Perhaps if all added together then this country might not be in the state that it is!!

[Scraggles]

pretty sure all the ticket machines charge you for the time you buy, so if you buy 2 hours, you get 120 mins, 0 seconds

is the OP a retard or does he need the council's refusal to give him FOI to give him the idea that it is a waste of time

[tvrgit]

I submitted a FOI request to Islington Council asking how much staff time they have lost due to people hurting themselves while laughing.

So far it's 3 days - two members of staff had to go home to change out of their wee-wee'd pants, and a third had to go home at lunch time because he ROFLed so hard he fell on his bag and squashed his sandwiches.

I asked about the causes of this mirth, but they refused to reply, saying I'd used my 59 free seconds. Surely that's not right? Surely I'm entitled to that extra second? Who do I complain to?

[Chester Drawers]

coyft said:

Kindersley said:

Ok..Lets keep it simple


Now here is my argument



you buy the ticket at lets say 9.10.45 am )Hours -mins -seconds) at exactly 9.11.01 they have the right according to them to issue a ticket . Yet you have only been parked for 16 odd seconds

I have asked for the amount of tickets over the last 3 years issued within the first min of expired time . This info they refuse to supply .

If you bought a ticket 9:10:45 for 1 min, wouldn't the expiry be 9:11:00? You would only be issued a ticket at 9:12 which means you have had 1min and 15 secs but only paid for 1 min.

Maths obviously isn't your strong point is it? How many seconds in one minute? How many seconds between 9:10:45 and 9:11:00?

I think the OP has a valid point, regardless of how petty it may seem to be counting seconds, the council are quite happy to accept it when it works in their favour but not the other way around. As Streaky has pointed out, the council must issue some sort of response to a request under the FOIA, they can't just ignore it and hope it goes away.

[BliarOut]

"Overpayment accepted"

You s, give me my fking change

[Chester Drawers]

coyft said:

Chester Drawers said:

coyft said:

Kindersley said:

Ok..Lets keep it simple


Now here is my argument



you buy the ticket at lets say 9.10.45 am )Hours -mins -seconds) at exactly 9.11.01 they have the right according to them to issue a ticket . Yet you have only been parked for 16 odd seconds

I have asked for the amount of tickets over the last 3 years issued within the first min of expired time . This info they refuse to supply .

If you bought a ticket 9:10:45 for 1 min, wouldn't the expiry be 9:11:00? You would only be issued a ticket at 9:12 which means you have had 1min and 15 secs but only paid for 1 min.

Maths obviously isn't your strong point is it? How many seconds in one minute? How many seconds between 9:10:45 and 9:11:00?

I think the OP has a valid point, regardless of how petty it may seem to be counting seconds, the council are quite happy to accept it when it works in their favour but not the other way around. As Streaky has pointed out, the council must issue some sort of response to a request under the FOIA, they can't just ignore it and hope it goes away.

My math is better than your comprehension.

Only if your assumption that a ticket would be issued at 9:12 is correct which according to the OP was the entire point of this thread, my comprehension is that Islington Council are ticketing as from (to use your timing example) 9:11:00 which would mean that you pay for a grand total of 60 seconds but get a ticket issued after 15 seconds (in theory).

[14-7]

I know this has been asked and answered but I am still sat here wondering if this is for real?